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Dommer
08-15-2005, 06:29 PM
Villain is 20/5/2.7 after 100 hands or so, again I don't know much about him. Does this look ok? I think I should have bet more on the turn looking back at it. But if he had a 10 my bet was good I guess. On the river his bet looked to be more of a value bet than a bluff, he must've had me on a pair and he thought he had it beat, so I folded.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP1 ($187.60)
MP2 ($103.30)
MP3 ($107.42)
CO ($101.40)
Button ($133.75)
SB ($82.45)
BB ($120)
UTG ($42.45)
UTG+1 ($140.50)
Hero ($103)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, SB (poster) calls $3.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $3.

Flop: ($13) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, SB calls $10, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: ($33) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $15</font>, SB calls $15.

River: ($63) T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $30</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $93
amoeba
08-15-2005, 06:56 PM
1 in 4 times hes on a missed diamond draw?
Macquarie
08-15-2005, 07:54 PM
I think this might be a call. He could have read your weak turn bet for weakness and decided to bluff the river scare card.

Bet more like 25 on the turn on the realtively draw-heavy board. This'll also make it easier to read his river play.
08-15-2005, 08:03 PM
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Bet more like 25 on the turn on the realtively draw-heavy board. This'll also make it easier to read his river play.

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hukilai
08-15-2005, 10:16 PM
Preflop: AQo is not a raising hand in EP, just call.
Flop looks OK, on the turn you have a tough spot - depending on my mood I either pot it or check.
If he calls my turn, I check river (he's tight). If turn is checked, I call or bet 2/3 pot, fold to reraise.

55/77/ATs all possible here.
Dommer
08-15-2005, 11:41 PM
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I think this might be a call. He could have read your weak turn bet for weakness and decided to bluff the river scare card.

Bet more like 25 on the turn on the realtively draw-heavy board. This'll also make it easier to read his river play.

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This is sort of what I was thinking, I nearly called the river, decided it felt more like a value bet to me rather than a missed flush. Mostly a guess though, based off his stats and aggression numbers. It didn't feel like he wanted me to fold with that bet. Regardless of all that though, I agree I need to bet the turn harder, makes it a lot easier.
Dommer
08-15-2005, 11:42 PM
I dislike limping with AQ in early position, if its raised I have to fold, if I hit an A or Q in a limped pot I'm playing blind and only feel comfortable making a couple bets. If I shouldn't raise, shouldn't I just fold pre instead of call?

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Preflop: AQo is not a raising hand in EP, just call.
Flop looks OK, on the turn you have a tough spot - depending on my mood I either pot it or check.
If he calls my turn, I check river (he's tight). If turn is checked, I call or bet 2/3 pot, fold to reraise.

55/77/ATs all possible here.

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Dommer
08-15-2005, 11:45 PM
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1 in 4 times hes on a missed diamond draw?

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Hrm, not sure, I don't know that people bet missed diamond draws that often at .5/1 NL. I didn't really have any info on the guy so it'd be me making a complete guess to hopefully make a break even call. That's bad isn't it? Or is folding worse?
amoeba
08-15-2005, 11:54 PM
I think fold is fine without read. and I agree that not that many people bet a missed draw.

I really meant my reply as a question.
DoomSlice
08-15-2005, 11:55 PM
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If I shouldn't raise, shouldn't I just fold pre instead of call?

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Quite possible. AQ is very hard to play OOP, as you have found out.
amoeba
08-15-2005, 11:55 PM
I think raising AQ in EP is fine.