Unbelievable!!! I should retire now.

[packbacker83]

These 2 hands took place within a two weeks of each other. Couldn't get the Converter to work.

Texas Hold'em $2-$4 (real money), hand #1,169,569,901
Table Stettin, 14 Aug 2005 10:13 PM ET

Seat 1: nine72
Seat 2: xsegrity
Seat 3: JDG226
Seat 4: zhang0605
Seat 5: bigtizzle68
Seat 6: philmccrack
Seat 7: zpatel
Seat 8: slugworth7
Seat 9: pckbckr83 [ KC,JC ]
Seat 10: Jesse Jersey
ANTES/BLINDS
xsegrity posts blind ($1), JDG226 posts blind ($2).

PRE-FLOP
zhang0605 folds, bigtizzle68 folds, philmccrack folds, zpatel folds, slugworth7 folds, pckbckr83 bets $4, Jesse Jersey bets $6, nine72 folds, xsegrity folds, JDG226 calls $4, pckbckr83 calls $2.

FLOP [board cards 10H,AC,9H ]
JDG226 checks, pckbckr83 checks, Jesse Jersey bets $2, JDG226 calls $2, pckbckr83 calls $2.

TURN [board cards 10H,AC,9H,10C ]
JDG226 checks, pckbckr83 checks, Jesse Jersey bets $4, JDG226 calls $4, pckbckr83 calls $4.

RIVER [board cards 10H,AC,9H,10C,QC ]
JDG226 checks, pckbckr83 bets $4, Jesse Jersey calls $4, JDG226 bets $8, pckbckr83 bets $8, Jesse Jersey folds, JDG226 bets $8, pckbckr83 calls $4.

SHOWDOWN
JDG226 shows [ 10S,10D ]
pckbckr83 shows [ KC,JC ]
pckbckr83 wins $70.





Texas Hold'em $2-$4 (real money), hand #1,130,092,591
Table Praha, 2 Aug 2005 12:19 PM ET

Seat 2: jweis
Seat 3: giantfan2005
Seat 4: Hotwheels9
Seat 5: kdibrita
Seat 6: Snyper21
Seat 7: Teaneck Guy
Seat 8: pckbckr83 [ 10C,KC ]
Seat 9: lammapatte
Seat 10: lupercalia
ANTES/BLINDS
Snyper21 posts blind ($1), Teaneck Guy posts blind ($2).

PRE-FLOP
pckbckr83 calls $2, lammapatte folds, lupercalia calls $2, jweis calls $2, giantfan2005 folds, Hotwheels9 folds, kdibrita bets $4, Snyper21 calls $3, Teaneck Guy calls $2, pckbckr83 calls $2, lupercalia calls $2, jweis calls $2.

FLOP [board cards AH,AC,8H ]
Snyper21 checks, Teaneck Guy checks, pckbckr83 checks, lupercalia checks, jweis checks, kdibrita bets $2, Snyper21 folds, Teaneck Guy folds, pckbckr83 calls $2, lupercalia calls $2, jweis calls $2.

TURN [board cards AH,AC,8H,QC ]
pckbckr83 checks, lupercalia checks, jweis bets $4, kdibrita folds, pckbckr83 calls $4, lupercalia folds.

RIVER [board cards AH,AC,8H,QC,JC ]
pckbckr83 bets $4, jweis bets $8, pckbckr83 bets $8, jweis bets $8, pckbckr83 calls $4.

SHOWDOWN
jweis shows [ AD,AS ]
pckbckr83 shows [ 10C,KC ]
pckbckr83 wins $69.

[brettbrettr]

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I should retire now.

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Agreed.

[nickg1532]

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I should retire now.

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Agreed.

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[shant]

YSSCKY

[lxdx]

Both hands:

Fold flop

[brettbrettr]

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YSSCKY

[/ QUOTE ]

nh.

[packbacker83]

YSSCKY

???

[bravos1]

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Both hands:

Fold flop


[/ QUOTE ]

Agreed...!

Is this for real? YOU closed the action BOTH times with the nuts? Both times? /images/graemlins/shocked.gif WEAKEST of all weakness!The raise button would have been busted on my computer.. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[bravos1]

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YSSCKY

???

[/ QUOTE ]

You Should Seriously Consider Killing Yourself... and I concur.. /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[packbacker83]

KT hand mildly agree but figured not too much harm in seeing turn with backdoor flush draw to button bet.

KJ hand - disagree. I was getting 10+ to 1 for my call with between 5 and 6 outs.

[packbacker83]

This was limit poker

[crunchy1]

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I should retire now.

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From Posting.

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FYP

[JerseyTom]

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KT hand mildly agree but figured not too much harm in seeing turn with backdoor flush draw to button bet.

KJ hand - disagree. I was getting 10+ to 1 for my call with between 5 and 6 outs.

[/ QUOTE ]

Be prepared... You are going to get hammered for this. Not by me, though... but by someone.


Tom

[packbacker83]

I'm pretty green here. Is this an insult?

[brettbrettr]

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Is this an insult?

[/ QUOTE ]

It depends.

[bravos1]

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KT hand mildly agree but figured not too much harm in seeing turn with backdoor flush draw to button bet.

KJ hand - disagree. I was getting 10+ to 1 for my call with between 5 and 6 outs.

[/ QUOTE ]

I disagree.. I think you have AT MOST 4 outs here... What range of hands do you REALLY put the aggro guy on? thoughts from others?

[packbacker83]

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KT hand mildly agree but figured not too much harm in seeing turn with backdoor flush draw to button bet.

KJ hand - disagree. I was getting 10+ to 1 for my call with between 5 and 6 outs.

[/ QUOTE ]

I dont mind admitting I am very green and am trying to figure out how to use these forums to improve my game. But the empty flames without a logical argument to support the position will have no effect on me. Anyway, thanks for the warning Tom

Be prepared... You are going to get hammered for this. Not by me, though... but by someone.


Tom

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[packbacker83]

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Is this an insult?

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It depends.

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On what? Or better yet ... Is it an insult in this particular case?

[bravos1]

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This was limit poker

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Yes.. sorry.. I forgot that online poker caps ALL streets even heads up!

[SteamingFish]

Such loose tables -- which site is this?

[packbacker83]

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KT hand mildly agree but figured not too much harm in seeing turn with backdoor flush draw to button bet.

KJ hand - disagree. I was getting 10+ to 1 for my call with between 5 and 6 outs.

[/ QUOTE ]

I disagree.. I think you have AT MOST 4 outs here... What range of hands do you REALLY put the aggro guy on? thoughts from others?

[/ QUOTE ]

OK but with 4 outs the pot is still big enough to call the flop. At Poker Room 2/4 LHE, the button better could have been betting into perceived weakness with almost anything. Not arguing - just trying to better understand this confounding game of poker.

[packbacker83]

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Such loose tables -- which site is this?

[/ QUOTE ]

Poker Room LHE

[SteamingFish]

Ah, cool. I keep meaning to try that site. Thanks.

[CDSNUTSINYAMOUTH]

you have holes in your game

you should probably play lower stakes

[packbacker83]

Thanks for the constructive comment.

A. We all have holes in our games
B. I am aware of this fact or I wouldnt have come here in the first place.
C. I am quite happy with my BB/100 at this point but like everyone would like to improve it before moving up in limits
D. Any "REAL" constructive comments are always appreciated.

[uw_madtown]

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D. Any "REAL" constructive comments are always appreciated.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes. I mean, I know when I'm looking for serious commentary on my game, I post royal flush hands.

[packbacker83]

Point taken

But the snide comments are not helpful in any event

[meep_42]

Seriously, people are folding the flop on that KJ hand?

10-1 with a gutter and BD flush draw? I'm peeling there like, always. But, I do suck.

The KT hand was terrible. Fold the flop.

-d

[TakeMeToTheRiver]

Suggestion -- put NC (for no content) in the subject line of this post. It is of no use to others on this forum except to provide a forum for you to brag about beating quads twice with a royal flush.

Better yet, don't post this type of hand here at all unless you are asking for advice -- which you clearly are not. Try RGP.

In addition, the moderator should be asked to lock this useless thread... which I will request right now.

[packbacker83]

[ QUOTE ]
Seriously, people are folding the flop on that KJ hand?

10-1 with a gutter and BD flush draw? I'm peeling there like, always. But, I do suck.

The KT hand was terrible. Fold the flop.

-d

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Agreed on both hands

[brazilio]

The advice given to fold that KJ hand is just about as miserably bad as the OP is for playing on with his KT hand.

[packbacker83]

[ QUOTE ]
Suggestion -- put NC (for no content) in the subject line of this post. It is of no use to others on this forum except to provide a forum for you to brag about beating quads twice with a royal flush.

Better yet, don't post this type of hand here at all unless you are asking for advice -- which you clearly are not. Try RGP.

In addition, the moderator should be asked to lock this useless thread... which I will request right now.

[/ QUOTE ]

Thanks ... your real helpful

[callmedonnie]

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Is this an insult?

[/ QUOTE ]

It depends.

[/ QUOTE ]

good post.

[TakeMeToTheRiver]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Suggestion -- put NC (for no content) in the subject line of this post. It is of no use to others on this forum except to provide a forum for you to brag about beating quads twice with a royal flush.

Better yet, don't post this type of hand here at all unless you are asking for advice -- which you clearly are not. Try RGP.

In addition, the moderator should be asked to lock this useless thread... which I will request right now.

[/ QUOTE ]

Thanks ... your real helpful

[/ QUOTE ]

What kind of help are you looking for?

I am telling you that this kind of post is not usually appreciated here. The "WOW! I busted quads with my rivered royal flush!" post is as useful as the "Cry for me, I suffered a bad beat" post.

You didn't play the hands particularly well, but you won. Congratulations.

[JerseyTom]

A few things...

First off, folks around here are sadly impatient with newcomers who don't understand the estabished rules or etiquette for posting in the various forums. I know that there are published guidelines for the Micro-Limit Forum (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1659321&page=0&view=expan ded&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1). I'm not sure if the same exists for this board.

In general, people mainly want to see posts that contain "strategic content", i.e. posts that ask or pose questions about common, marginal situations, as opposed to another "I flopped quads did I really get max value out of this hand" post.

Even if not intended as such, many will see this as a "brag" or "wow" post without any real content ("look how I drew to a miracle hand twice in one night"). Even if you don't have a specific question about such hands, it's not a complete crime to post them, though established ettiquette asks that you include something like "(No content)" or "(Low Content)" in the subject line of your post. This allows people to skip over it if they really only want to read posts with strategic content. You also should keep such posts to a minimum, or people will quickly start to ignore anything you post (even "legitimate" questions, to which you'll surely want people to provide feedback).

So, uh, welcome to the forums... /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

And FWIW, I probably peel one on the flop in the KJ hand and turbo-fold the flop in the KT hand.




Tom

[chief444]

Folding hand one on the flop would be pretty dumb.

[packbacker83]

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Thanks ... your real helpful

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What kind of help are you looking for?


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See comments from Jersey Tom who was nice enough to point out the etiquette involved with my post instead of just knocking me up side the head. I would venture to guess that there was once a time when you made your first post. However if I am wrong and you were born a poker posting expert please accept my most humble apologies for screwing up your day. And FWIW the time has expired to put NC in the title so I will now go and perform self-flagellation. Will 40 lashes be enough?

[shant]

Oh god, relax. Everyone makes sarcastic jackass posts here but all this pussy drama queen inner monologue stuff is just burying yourself deeper.

[TakeMeToTheRiver]

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[ QUOTE ]
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Thanks ... your real helpful

[/ QUOTE ]

What kind of help are you looking for?


[/ QUOTE ]

See comments from Jersey Tom who was nice enough to point out the etiquette involved with my post instead of just knocking me up side the head. I would venture to guess that there was once a time when you made your first post. However if I am wrong and you were born a poker posting expert please accept my most humble apologies for screwing up your day. And FWIW the time has expired to put NC in the title so I will now go and perform self-flagellation. Will 40 lashes be enough?

[/ QUOTE ]

40 is fine.... although I doubt your thin skin could take that much...

I don't even understand how I hurt your feelings?

I said you should put an "NC" on your bragging posts or -- better yet -- don't post them all.

Are you upset that I said I was notifying the moderator? That wasn't personal -- It was to end the inane banter that I have now become a participant in...

And yes, I was born a bitter, old, terrible poker player with nothing better to do than throw my vitriol at new posters.

[CDSNUTSINYAMOUTH]

[ QUOTE ]
Thanks for the constructive comment.

A. We all have holes in our games
B. I am aware of this fact or I wouldnt have come here in the first place.
C. I am quite happy with my BB/100 at this point but like everyone would like to improve it before moving up in limits
D. Any "REAL" constructive comments are always appreciated.

[/ QUOTE ]

i just gave you constructive comments.
such as move down and learn the fundamentals. your fundamentals, judging from those 2 hands, seem rather weak. if you're happy with your win rate, then why bother you should be satisfied.

[Trix]

WOAH, 2 Royal Flush.

Congratulations man ! /images/graemlins/club.gif

[Harv72b]

I think Hand 1 is played flawlessly. I'm not ready to give either opponent credit for a FH (or quads) on the turn, so I'm absolutely calling 1 more bet getting about 8:1 with a gutshot + FD. The flop call is just as easy given the pot odds.

I think Hand 2 is ludicrously bad. Fold preflop. Fold the flop. The turn you can probably get away with calling, but you should never have gotten there.

Congrats on your two royals, and welcome to the forums.

You should play on the bad beat jackpot tables.

[ QUOTE ]
I think Hand 1 is played flawlessly. I'm not ready to give either opponent credit for a FH (or quads) on the turn, so I'm absolutely calling 1 more bet getting about 8:1 with a gutshot + FD. The flop call is just as easy given the pot odds.

I think Hand 2 is ludicrously bad. Fold preflop. Fold the flop. The turn you can probably get away with calling, but you should never have gotten there.

Congrats on your two royals, and welcome to the forums.

[/ QUOTE ]

Fold preflop?

This is terrible advice, the only advice you should take on that hand is folding the flop. Don't fold preflop with KTs when table conditions are like that. Ever.

[Scott_Baio]

What's FYP?

[ArturiusX]

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What's FYP?

[/ QUOTE ]

Fixed your post.

[Harv72b]

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Fold preflop?

This is terrible advice, the only advice you should take on that hand is folding the flop. Don't fold preflop with KTs when table conditions are like that. Ever.

[/ QUOTE ]

The OP gave no information on table conditions in his post. Seeing after the fact that half the world limped behind him does not make his limp correct.

If the table is extremely loose and passive preflop, then it becomes a decent limp. Only then.

[synthtrance]

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[ QUOTE ]
Fold preflop?

This is terrible advice, the only advice you should take on that hand is folding the flop. Don't fold preflop with KTs when table conditions are like that. Ever.

[/ QUOTE ]

The OP gave no information on table conditions in his post. Seeing after the fact that half the world limped behind him does not make his limp correct.

If the table is extremely loose and passive preflop, then it becomes a decent limp. Only then.

[/ QUOTE ]

If they are tight and passive preflop you can limp too. Personally I play KTs here almost all the time bar some insane maniac behind.