Flopping a set - how's my line

[jskills]

UTG+1 is slightly loose aggressive.
UTG+2 is loose passive.
UTG is gambler type who is rather bad (will call down with gutshots, bottom pair, etc.)

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls.

Yes, I could have donked the flop. But the way it went, it actually worked out better since I forced 2 of 3 opponents to have to call two bets cold.

Turn: (7.25 BB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls.

River: (10.25 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, UTG+2 folds, Hero ?.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB

Almost certainly rivered, does anyone make this fold?

[Shillx]

I don't understand why you checked the river here. It is hard to fear this river card much when UTG and UTG+2 will call down with any pair.

Brad

[toss]

I think betting the flop hoping to get raised is also another option.

This one is tough - with the UTG being a described caller with any draw he might have caught the flush - however he could also have been calling with A8o or J8s and caught top pair on the flop and possibly 2 pair on the river. I think I would call given the pot size and the number of marginal hands he could have called with besides the flush.

NEVER make this fold. The pot is too big. Call it down for the last bet. He raised UTG so he could have a big pair or AK. Don't give him credit for two clubs. That is a scare card but he was the original raiser preflop. Call this EVERYTIME.

[jskills]

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I don't understand why you checked the river here. It is hard to fear this river card much when UTG and UTG+2 will call down with any pair.

Brad

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I was actually a bit shell shocked from a series of suckouts at this point I think (just lost AA vs K8o to this guy). He didn't seem to bet without having a strong hand, but he loved to call down with just about anything else. I really felt that one of the two opponents could have made the flush, so I thought check / calling (maybe even inducing a bluff from a worse hand) was the way to go.

Sure enough, he showed me T9o for a straight of all things.

[jskills]

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NEVER make this fold. The pot is too big. Call it down for the last bet. He raised UTG so he could have a big pair or AK. Don't give him credit for two clubs. That is a scare card but he was the original raiser preflop. Call this EVERYTIME.

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I called (and lost) of course. But the river bettor was not the preflop raiser BTW.

[Dopey]

So you thought check/calling the river was the best line to try and induce a bluff if your ahead or the protect you if they caught up.

Given your reads I would still bet the river, your play is not nessecarily a bad line either but.....

Why would you consider folding then if part of your river check was to induce a bluff?

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[thejameser]

very draw heavy board. you got some bets in on the flop. turn is automatic unless i have an aggro player in one of the UTG's which i would have smoothcalled flop and raised turn. such board texture might promote the draws taking a free card so that would be less optimal, i think. but i lead the river, regardless. one thing, all of the cold-calls, passive turn play, and then a river awakening tells me a draw got there. might be a two pair draw, but could very-well be the straight or flush as well. more than often enough you are good to lead here, though.

[Nick Royale]

I like the way you play it until you check the river. Bet and pay off a raise.

EDIT: I would have bet the flop...

[Nick Royale]

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I was actually a bit shell shocked from a series of suckouts at this point I think (just lost AA vs K8o to this guy).

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As you know this is no reason to check.

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He didn't seem to bet without having a strong hand, but he loved to call down with just about anything else.

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And this is a great reason to bet.