Punishing donkers

[goofball]

People, probably quite a few 2p2ers but I don't know, are getting way to comfortable donkbetting the big streets. It used to be a good move because it's tough to raise that bet, kind of like a blocking bet in NL. Anyway, gotta start making those toughish raises to discourage that kind of thing. Good or bad?

(hmm, this first hand has a marginal PF limp, but the button was tight and I felt it was correct. I'm willing to discuss it but let's not let it sidetrack the thread.)

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Preflop: Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB folds, MP calls, CO calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls, CO calls.

River: (8.50 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>.



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Preflop: Hero is MP with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif. CO posts a blind of $7.
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.80 SB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.90 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls.

River: (6.90 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>.



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Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, SB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO folds, SB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>.



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Preflop: Hero is BB with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>.

[donger]

1 &amp; 4: Yuck.

2 &amp; 3: Good.

The TT hand on the KJx board I hate the most, I think. Bayes-wise, you're blocking a lot of the straight draws with your hand.

i dont see how raising the river in hand 1 is bad at all there is 1 card in the deck that beats him and i think that card is either bluff raising or donk betting the turn not the river it smells like a shitty flush and or a pair to me

[Lurker4]

1: I won't talk about PF, but I also just call the flop. I call the river, let MP possibly overcall w/a low heart/straight/pair, especially if you are calling a 3-bet from CO here.

2 and 3 look good. 4 looks good, assuming you fold to 3-bet and take river free showdown UI.