Once more for sexy

[PokerBob]

i know nothing of villain. do you begrudge me my sexy?

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (6 SB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, MP calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls.

River: (6 BB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks.... /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[KidPokerX]

at the party 5/10 against an unknown i would be more reluctant to check raise this river. With more than one opponent left to act after me i may consider a c/r, but i couldn't see doing it here. You must have had a stronger read on your opponent than you say in order to do this.

[PassiveCaller]

Usually on these boards if they don't fold the flop they are going to see a showdown. It could be a weak ace, it could be a T, or it could be a pocket pair. Firing the second barrel raises that probability, the question is what..

A pocket pair will check, a T may bet, any Ace will bet.

I'd usually like to know he'll bet decently but this isn't a horrid time to try it but I'd usually want to know a T _will_ bet to make it optimal.

However It could have useful value later in the session in such situations as well as he'll be more careful with his thinner value bets and it may get you some showdowns.

[PokerBob]

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Usually on these boards if they don't fold the flop they are going to see a showdown. It could be a weak ace, it could be a T, or it could be a pocket pair. Firing the second barrel raises that probability, the question is what..

A pocket pair will check, a T may bet, any Ace will bet.

I'd usually like to know he'll bet decently but this isn't a horrid time to try it but I'd usually want to know a T _will_ bet to make it optimal.

However It could have useful value later in the session in such situations as well as he'll be more careful with his thinner value bets and it may get you some showdowns.

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it is also good for sexy

[Surfbullet]

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i know nothing of villain. do you begrudge me my sexy?


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Yes, I do.

I'd like it much more if a few things were different:

1) Villain raised pf

2) Villain shut down on the flop when c/r'd (likely overcards, A is good qualifier)

3) The A hit on the river to make you a straight(you flopped OESD) and thus often improved villain.

In this fabricated situation I would think the sexy is quite sexy indeed.

These plays, while sexy, work much better when the river card is likely to have improved our opponent. Most passive party players fail to value-bet rivers as it is, let alone suddenly find one in the face of an aggressor for 3 streets.

In your case a value-bet is always better without a read IMO.

Surf

[bobbyi]

Meh. Typical calling down 5/10-6ers don't value bet the river nearly enough when checked to. They sure do like to bluff though. If there were a missed flopped flush draw, yeah, sexy.

[PokerBob]

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i know nothing of villain. do you begrudge me my sexy?


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Yes, I do.

I'd like it much more if a few things were different:

1) Villain raised pf

2) Villain shut down on the flop when c/r'd (likely overcards, A is good qualifier)

3) The A hit on the river to make you a straight(you flopped OESD) and thus often improved villain.

In this fabricated situation I would think the sexy is quite sexy indeed.

These plays, while sexy, work much better when the river card is likely to have improved our opponent. Most passive party players fail to value-bet rivers as it is, let alone suddenly find one in the face of an aggressor for 3 streets.

In your case a value-bet is always better without a read IMO.

Surf

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surf, you are not sexy. you may have good skill and big winrate and large bankroll, but you have not the sexy.

[Surfbullet]

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surf, you are not sexy. you may have good skill and big winrate and large bankroll, but you have not the sexy.

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From tonight:

Villain is 28/17/1.9

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

River: (7 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Sexy me this! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Surf

[pbillAA]

bad time for sexy,good time for ship it

[PokerBob]

speak not of the sexy