View Full Version : Reasons why NOT to become a dealer!
PhatCasino
08-13-2005, 01:47 PM
list them all.. convince people not to venture into such a horrible industry /images/graemlins/club.gif
#1 you'll get bored and sick very quickly
#2.....
dicelumpY2005
08-13-2005, 02:21 PM
Can a moderator please lock/delete this thread from the troll? The board has been free of this crap for weeks now, and obviously PhatCasino couldn't handle that...
SamIAm
08-13-2005, 03:21 PM
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Can a moderator please lock/delete this thread from the troll? The board has been free of this crap for weeks now, and obviously PhatCasino couldn't handle that...
[/ QUOTE ]Wow. That's pretty aggressive. I agree the tone of the OP wasn't the nicest in the world, but I'm surprised you're this pissed.
Heck, most of the posts in this forum are "Please read Robert's Rules to me." or "I saw a floorman make a mistake." I'm not complaining, but you can't claim you're protecting the sanctity of such a light-weight forum. Have there been that many discussions of whether to deal? Was your mother killed by a potential-dealer?
If the OP was talking about poker, and the casino in question contained both mortar AND brick, then it's hard to complain.
-Sam
dicelumpY2005
08-13-2005, 03:49 PM
Why are you defending him? Anyone can tell you that when a post surfaces regarding dealers, or tipping, this shmuck always seems to chime in with nothing constructive towards dealers, or their profession. Was just hoping someone with any authority on here would take a stand and say "enough is enough" to this tool...
betgo
08-13-2005, 04:20 PM
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Can a moderator please lock/delete this thread from the troll? The board has been free of this crap for weeks now, and obviously PhatCasino couldn't handle that...
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Are you a dealer?
imported_adhoc
08-13-2005, 04:22 PM
This thread is important, and these issues need to be discussed! Trying to shut this thread down is stifling free speech and violates the 2nd Amendment rights of the OP.
TxSteve
08-13-2005, 04:27 PM
chill dude
betgo
08-13-2005, 04:39 PM
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Trying to shut this thread down is stifling free speech and violates the 2nd Amendment rights of the OP.
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2nd ammendment is right to bear arms and to serve in militia. 1st ammendment is freedom of speech, press, religion, and to assemble.
I fully agree that the OP is trolling to be flamed by dealers and others and this thread should be locked.My first impulse was to fire out about his views on tipping,then I realized that is exactly what he is wanting because for some sick reason he gets off on it.
imported_adhoc
08-13-2005, 04:44 PM
I think you've got it backwards. From www.billofrights.us (http://www.billofrights.us):
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Amendment I
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Amendment II
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment III
Every soldier shall, in time of peace, be quartered in a house, without the consent of the owner, and in time of war, in a manner to be prescribed by law.
etc.
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betgo
08-13-2005, 04:50 PM
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I think you've got it backwards. From www.billofrights.us (http://www.billofrights.us):
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Amendment I
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Amendment II
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment III
Every soldier shall, in time of peace, be quartered in a house, without the consent of the owner, and in time of war, in a manner to be prescribed by law.
etc.
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Very funny.
david050173
08-13-2005, 04:53 PM
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This thread is important, and these issues need to be discussed! Trying to shut this thread down is stifling free speech and violates the 2nd Amendment rights of the OP.
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2nd amendment does apply to 2+2 as it isn't a government entity.
The_Tracker
08-13-2005, 04:54 PM
How about we list reasons NOT to be a dumbass "sanitation engineer" from new york?
1) You've got it covered.
betgo
08-13-2005, 04:58 PM
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2nd amendment does apply to 2+2 as it isn't a government entity.
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You mean that you can't own a gun or serve in the National Guard on 2+2?
autobet
08-13-2005, 05:14 PM
You're as good as you're ever going to be after six months
Minimal benefits
Most pros and casino management look down on dealers
You are surrounded by depressed, addicted, mean, and lonely soles - It only takes one loser/[censored] to ruin a table...not the healthiest of environments.
Hard to convince yourself you are doing something meaningful/worthwhile with your life.
It gets tiring continually making sure players play in turn, act in a timely manner, don't take shots, etc.
If you love people, poker, and are very patient/forgiving dealing may be a good job for you. Otherwise...
benfranklin
08-13-2005, 05:34 PM
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2nd amendment does apply to 2+2 as it isn't a government entity.
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You mean that you can't own a gun or serve in the National Guard on 2+2?
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No, it means that the Constitution requires that 2+2 have a gun on a certain percentage of its book covers.
benfranklin
08-13-2005, 05:43 PM
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Trying to shut this thread down is stifling free speech and violates the 2nd Amendment rights of the OP.
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2nd ammendment is right to bear arms and to serve in militia. 1st ammendment is freedom of speech, press, religion, and to assemble.
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And the 1st Amendment only prohibits the government from interferring with your freedom of speech. There is nothing there that prohibits me from LEGALLY interferring with someone's freedom of speech.
People have no right to freedom of speech on a bulletin board paid for by another. Another example: people have no 1st Amendment rights on my property. Especially when I choose to exercise my 2nd Amendment rights /images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Photoc
08-13-2005, 06:05 PM
You need to learn your laws. Freedom of speach is non existant in a privately owned forum. They can lock, delete, or even ban without any reason at all.
I have the OP on ignore so I dont even know or care what was said by him.
Origami
08-13-2005, 06:10 PM
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Most pros and casino management look down on dealers
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Serious question:
Why is it that the dealers look down on the floor people and vice versa? It seems kind of strange to me because most floor people were dealers first?
Can anyone give some reasonable clues?
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This thread is important, and these issues need to be discussed! Trying to shut this thread down is stifling free speech and violates the 2nd Amendment rights of the OP.
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Hhahahahaha, this post rules.
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This thread is important, and these issues need to be discussed! Trying to shut this thread down is stifling free speech and violates the 2nd Amendment rights of the OP.
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I love the way this thread turned into a complete hijack,not giving the OP any satisfaction for his obvious flame bait.Good job guys!
imported_adhoc
08-13-2005, 08:49 PM
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You need to learn your laws.
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The Constitution is the "Supreme law of the land," as it says in Article VI. This trumps 2+2. Also since 2+2 is a public board it has to abide by the Constitution. This is a fact. Therefore my 2nd amendment rights to discuss tipping, why being a dealer is degrading and loathsome, or any topic related to poker, are unalienable.
Shutting down this thread violates my rights. Hitler took away the 2nd amendment rights of the Jews during the war. This is a slippery slope.
2+2 wannabe
08-13-2005, 09:52 PM
way to hijack this thread idiots
who cares about amendments, free speech, etc. - just answer the OP
if you don't want to you don't have to
the OP sounded to me to be slightly sarcastic in tone
#1 reason to not deal - you have to take care of nits like these
benfranklin
08-13-2005, 09:53 PM
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Shutting down this thread violates my rights.
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Shutting down this thread would limit your ability to display your ignorance here. You still have the right to do so elsewhere.
The 2nd Amendment says:
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A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
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The 1st Amendment says:
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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That does not say that anyone other than the government has any obligations regarding your freedom of speech. It only says that the government cannot abridge it. By posting here you give implied consent to the 2+2 Terms and Conditions, and they have the right to do anything they want to here.
If you want to stand on my lawn and make a speech, I can have you removed for trespassing. That does not violate your rights to free speech. You have no rights to speak on my lawn or on this forum. You may only do so with permission.
Actually, if you come speak on my lawn, I will just turn on the sprinklers, which will turn the lawn into a slippery slope.
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You need to learn your laws.
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The Constitution is the "Supreme law of the land," as it says in Article VI. This trumps 2+2. Also since 2+2 is a public board it has to abide by the Constitution. This is a fact. Therefore my 2nd amendment rights to discuss tipping, why being a dealer is degrading and loathsome, or any topic related to poker, are unalienable.
Shutting down this thread violates my rights. Hitler took away the 2nd amendment rights of the Jews during the war. This is a slippery slope.
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This is the greatest post in the history of 2+2.
McNeese72
08-14-2005, 01:45 PM
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You need to learn your laws.
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The Constitution is the "Supreme law of the land," as it says in Article VI. This trumps 2+2. Also since 2+2 is a public board it has to abide by the Constitution. This is a fact. Therefore my 2nd amendment rights to discuss tipping, why being a dealer is degrading and loathsome, or any topic related to poker, are unalienable.
Shutting down this thread violates my rights. Hitler took away the 2nd amendment rights of the Jews during the war. This is a slippery slope.
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Wrong!! I'm a moderator on several messageboards. Messageboards are privately owned entities that the owners allow the public to come on. The moderators can kick anybody they want off for no reason at all and that person has no legal recourse. It's like inviting people over to your house and then kicking one of them out because they are making an ass out of themselves and disturbing the other guests. A lot of messageboard posters don't understand this.
There is no right of freedom of speech on internet messageboards. But you can always have the freedom of speech by purchasing and setting up your own messageboard.
PhatCasino
08-14-2005, 11:54 PM
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#2 You're as good as you're ever going to be after six months
#3 Minimal benefits
#4 Most pros and casino management look down on dealers
#5 You are surrounded by depressed, addicted, mean, and lonely soles - It only takes one loser/[censored] to ruin a table...not the healthiest of environments.
#6 Hard to convince yourself you are doing something meaningful/worthwhile with your life.
#7 It gets tiring continually making sure players play in turn, act in a timely manner, don't take shots, etc.
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that was one good post.. 6 solid reasons.. other than that, all theses responses are pretty damn unclear.. what's up with you people? it's like your all republicans or something
Some interesting points here... any actual dealers to verify this I don't see any positive points made at all toward this career choice... on the 'it isn't meaningful work' note, neither is being a pro poker player really but I don't think any of us really cares about that so what's the difference?
autobet
08-16-2005, 06:07 PM
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Some interesting points here... any actual dealers to verify this I don't see any positive points made at all toward this career choice... on the 'it isn't meaningful work' note, neither is being a pro poker player really but I don't think any of us really cares about that so what's the difference?
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Positive Points
You get paid everyday
You can get a tax break if you choose
Easy to get time off
Can work part time
Can work odd hours
Can be fun if you enjoy the atmosphere
No work to take home with you
If you are a player, gives you something to fall back on
The point on making a difference/meaningful work is if you don't care about such things, then no problem. If you do care, then you may have a problem over time.
I'm curious what's that about tax breaks? What kind of tax break can you get? and yeah i'm mostly looking for a fallback myself as a player and it seems logical enough.. I can't see how it could possibly be worse than waiting tables at least you are sitting down and I assume the pay is similar.
autobet
08-16-2005, 08:00 PM
Usually dealers keep their own tips, so you can choose what % to declare. In California where I dealt in the early nineties, most dealers declared less than half their tips.
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Can a moderator please lock/delete this thread from the troll? The board has been free of this crap for weeks now, and obviously PhatCasino couldn't handle that...
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I don't know if the OP is a troll or not, but there are a few guys asking each week about becoming dealers. It seems like a legitimate question for some guys getting out of school and not wanting to play full time without some kind of job.
So, whereas this question has more legitimacy than Sklansky's constant theoreticalposts about god, levitation, etc that have no relevance or educational value, this thread will actually help someone...
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