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08-13-2005, 01:10 AM

did i misplay the heck outta this? villan plays 88% vpip, and i cant ever put him on a hand, hes ultra aggressive and possible hands capped range from tptk to boats...please let me know on all streets. I started to worry about a 2 pr turned boat so i called river.
CDL

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
2 folds, UTG+2 raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 players)
SB bets, BB folds, UTG+2 raises, MP2 calls, Hero calls, SB 3-bets, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (11 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
SB bets, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

River: (14 BB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
SB bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 23 BB

NateDog

08-13-2005, 01:37 AM

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did i misplay the heck outta this? villan plays 88% vpip, and i cant ever put him on a hand, hes ultra aggressive and possible hands capped range from tptk to boats...please let me know on all streets. I started to worry about a 2 pr turned boat so i called river.
CDL

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
2 folds, UTG+2 raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 players)
SB bets, BB folds, UTG+2 raises, MP2 calls, Hero calls, SB 3-bets, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (11 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
SB bets, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

River: (14 BB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
SB bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 23 BB

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I'm not a big fan of the CC pre-flop.

3 bet the flop. Hand plays different from there. Take the free card on the turn if they give it to you. Kick the cat, and overcall the river bet.

ThaHero

08-13-2005, 01:44 AM

Fold preflop.

macdaddy991

08-13-2005, 01:50 AM

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Fold preflop.

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MikeSpicoli

08-13-2005, 02:00 AM

I would fold pre-flop here. QJs doesn't have much appeal after being raised.

hemstock

08-13-2005, 02:24 AM

Yes fold it preflop.
But on the flop, you have a huge equity edge. Raise and reraise. On the river I think you can cap it. But calling down is fine as well. If he is a maniac, I can't see any reason putting him on a full house.

silkyslim

08-13-2005, 02:32 AM

I would fold pf, maybe with 2 more cold callers i would call, but not here. What do u think you did wrong postflop again? You cant fold on the flop, with all those callers i would raise. The turn is std, the river you got your str8 and cant worry about the backdoor flush. But, with the board paired, the 3 flush out there, and MP2 calling, i dont think we can cap.

detruncate

08-13-2005, 02:59 AM

Pf is ok if you expected the blinds to come along. I'd fold otherwise.

You need to be 3-betting this flop, and certainly capping when it comes around again. You have an OESD + BD straight draw + overs with 4 opponents. An abundance of equity. Get some bets in the pot.

The rest is ok.

NobodysFreak

08-13-2005, 11:36 AM

With only one cold caller in front of me, I'm tossing this. In spite of this, I think you played the flop fine.

08-13-2005, 12:00 PM

this guys raising anything, nearly 70% of his hands, and he plays 70% vpip, laying down QJs to him doesnt seem to smart because i know i have equity over hid hand way more than half the time.
cdl

08-13-2005, 12:03 PM

the raiser utg +2 raises about every hand, and hes like 70% vpip preflop, Ive seen him cap 810s, a2o, k6 etc....Im not laying down QJs to this moron.
cdl

08-13-2005, 12:05 PM

villan indeed hit the backdoor flush as you can guess, his 3 bet was with 10s 6s! I knew these guys were total suckers and i could outplay the hell out of them postflop, the total table vpip was 59%. I ws just questioning my calls, and raises in this hand as being corect..
appreciate the replies!
cdl

GoHoosiers

08-13-2005, 12:08 PM

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the raiser utg +2 raises about every hand, and hes like 70% vpip preflop, Ive seen him cap 810s, a2o, k6 etc....Im not laying down QJs to this moron.
cdl

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If that's the case, I would consider a 3-bet PF, depending on your read of MP1. What is he cold-calling with PF?

Rich

silkyslim

08-13-2005, 12:18 PM

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this guys raising anything, nearly 70% of his hands, and he plays 70% vpip, laying down QJs to him doesnt seem to smart because i know i have equity over hid hand way more than half the time.
cdl

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then 3-bet to isolate.

Boolean

08-13-2005, 12:20 PM

Grunching..

I think it's safe to say that a flop 3-bet would be for value here. You have 3 others in the pot and you're only putting in 25% of the money. You will hit your straight about 32% of the time and it will be good enough times that you can raise for value here.

Turn, fine.

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..hes ultra aggressive and possible hands capped range from tptk to boats..

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This is why you must cap the river for value. It's apparent that he probably is not much of a board reader if he's ultra-aggressive, so the 3-straight on the board probably doesn't even occur to him. You're last to act with an excellent hand, I think it's fine to cap.

08-13-2005, 05:17 PM

yes this sounds like a smart idea..
cdl