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durron597
08-12-2005, 08:28 PM
How's the line? Stars $16 turbo. Early, no read. Only thing I'm not sure of is 3 betting the turn (and the lead out turn bet size) but I decided to play it safe.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 (t1460)
MP3 (t1340)
CO (t1430)
Button (t1540)
Hero (t1420)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1930)
MP1 (t1380)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls t20, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls t20, CO calls t20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t100) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t80</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, MP3 calls t80, CO folds.

Turn: (t260) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t150</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t300</font>, Hero calls t150.

River: (t860) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks...
Freudian
08-12-2005, 08:38 PM
Probably. Are you planning to call a push on the river?
durron597
08-12-2005, 08:39 PM
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Probably. Are you planning to call a push on the river?

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Yes.
Freudian
08-12-2005, 08:43 PM
Then I don't mind it. A lot of players (me included) don't really get scared by flops like this and will bet on the river with worse hands if checked to them.

Not sure if you should push or call if he bets 400 though. I'd lean towards calling.
lastchance
08-12-2005, 08:44 PM
Assuming Stars people don't suck too much, this line looks very good. Can't really put donks on a hand, but you are inducing bluffing here.
fluorescenthippo
08-12-2005, 08:48 PM
what about pushing the turn?
Pokerscott
08-12-2005, 08:48 PM
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Probably. Are you planning to call a push on the river?

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Yes.

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I don't like the river check at all. My thinking runs like this:

1. You are going to lose all your chips to a bigger flush (either you push or they push/you call)
2. Most weaker hands are going to be scared by the board and just check on the river.
3. A good number of weaker hands will actually payoff a river bet (trips/2 pair most likely, but straight also possible)

It is the combination of these that I think make betting out the river a better play.

Pokerscott
durron597
08-12-2005, 09:02 PM
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1. You are going to lose all your chips to a bigger flush (either you push or they push/you call)


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I don't think a river push indicates a bigger flush. They would probably bet smaller since it looks like I was just taking stabs (I didn't reraise the turn).

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2. Most weaker hands are going to be scared by the board and just check on the river.


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He wasn't scared enough to raise the turn.

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3. A good number of weaker hands will actually payoff a river bet (trips/2 pair most likely, but straight also possible)


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After I bet all three streets?

And I have a really hard time calling a push if I bet.
Hendricks433
08-12-2005, 09:10 PM
I like pushing turn, or check calling river, if you bet and he pushed now what are you going to do? The only time you get pushed isnt always gonna be a better flush but it easily could be. Its a scary call. I like check calling.
durron597
08-12-2005, 10:35 PM
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I like pushing turn, or check calling river, if you bet and he pushed now what are you going to do? The only time you get pushed isnt always gonna be a better flush but it easily could be. Its a scary call. I like check calling.

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Is he gonna call a turn 3bet without a flush?