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joker122
08-12-2005, 04:56 PM
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9 BB
adamstewart
08-12-2005, 04:58 PM
No.


10:1 money for a call on the turn.

(You can re-evaluate on the river, and even unimproved I'm thinking I'm calling down - but that's 10/20).



Adam
TheCaptain
08-12-2005, 04:59 PM
You need a read here to do this. I tend to call this down rather tahn raise without any read getting 2bbs from worse hands rather than folding them when they have nothing
joker122
08-12-2005, 04:59 PM
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damn.
MisterKing
08-12-2005, 05:00 PM
Stats on SB? No foldo on el turno. Call and see what he does on the river. You have odds and position -- I'm all for using them here.
irishpint
08-12-2005, 05:02 PM
do you ever post reads/thoughts?
joker122
08-12-2005, 05:04 PM
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do you ever post reads/thoughts?

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dude, look how many posts i have. i do what i want, when i want. and i doubt anyone is going to say shti about it.

edit - in all seriousness, i usually post thoughts with the results and as far as reads go, i just feel like i rarely have one good/interesting enough to post.
psyduck
08-12-2005, 05:33 PM
That guy was in a blind, so he could have hands like K3, K7, Q7 etc - two pair that are currently ahead now, but hands that you have a LOT of outs against. The turn is a definite call, and you can re-evaluate on the river.

Read-less, I'm calling down.
MarkD
08-12-2005, 05:51 PM
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No.


10:1 money for a call on the turn.

(You can re-evaluate on the river, and even unimproved I'm thinking I'm calling down - but that's 10/20).



Adam

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Would you raise this turn at 10/20?
PassiveCaller
08-12-2005, 05:54 PM
Maybe that last part should change.
MrTeddyKGB
08-12-2005, 05:56 PM
I would just call the turn and river. He either has a huge hand or a bluff usually your turn rasise shuts him down or gets you 3 bet. HU I call down. Bet river if checked too.
adamstewart
08-12-2005, 10:56 PM
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No.


10:1 money for a call on the turn.

(You can re-evaluate on the river, and even unimproved I'm thinking I'm calling down - but that's 10/20).



Adam

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Would you raise this turn at 10/20?

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Naw, there's a decent chance I'm beat.

But there's also those LAG's at 10/20 who pull this $hit with next to nothing. If they're bluffing... let them to continue to bet. I'll just call down.


Adam
joker122
08-13-2005, 01:09 AM
mark, do you dislike this fold as much as everyone else? i really don't think i'm good here 1 in...whatever my effective odds are. and as for having outs - i also think it's rare a player will 3bet a board like this with some wierd 2pair like Q7 after i raised preflop.
7ontheline
08-13-2005, 01:24 AM
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mark, do you dislike this fold as much as everyone else? i really don't think i'm good here 1 in...whatever my effective odds are. and as for having outs - i also think it's rare a player will 3bet a board like this with some wierd 2pair like Q7 after i raised preflop.

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Seriously? 2 pair 3-bets here a lot in my experience. I would certainly 3-bet you here with a crap 2 pair, if I had somehow called you.
Surfbullet
08-13-2005, 01:53 AM
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No.


10:1 money for a call on the turn.

(You can re-evaluate on the river, and even unimproved I'm thinking I'm calling down - but that's 10/20).



Adam

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If we are citing 10:1 odds as the reason to call the turn 3bet (I agree) then we should fold when we miss. We are drawing slightly thin because of the times we're dead to a set, but we'll outrun 2pair often enough.

Calling the river UI is a mistake at 5/10 IMO. Players don't semibluff-3bet the turn with pair+fd or some other hand we are ahead of nearly often enough to call down getting 6:1 effective odds.

I agree with your advice - don't raise the turn. If he's (semi)bluffing, let him keep at it.

Surf
steaknshake925
08-13-2005, 01:55 AM
i agree with calling down the turn donk.

after the 3bet, ur stuck in that old "you know youre behind but you have odds to spike a river, so u gotta call, but once the river comes blank you got top pair and the pots too big to fold, so u gotta call there too." and that sucks.
joker122
08-13-2005, 01:56 AM
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I would certainly 3-bet you here with a crap 2 pair,

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you're also much more aggressive than the typcial 5/10er.
joker122
08-13-2005, 01:59 AM
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No.


10:1 money for a call on the turn.

(You can re-evaluate on the river, and even unimproved I'm thinking I'm calling down - but that's 10/20).



Adam

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If we are citing 10:1 odds as the reason to call the turn 3bet (I agree) then we should fold when we miss. We are drawing slightly thin because of the times we're dead to a set, but we'll outrun 2pair often enough.

Calling the river UI is a mistake at 5/10 IMO. Players don't semibluff-3bet the turn with pair+fd or some other hand we are ahead of nearly often enough to call down getting 6:1 effective odds.

I agree with your advice - don't raise the turn. If he's (semi)bluffing, let him keep at it.

Surf

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yeah. folding the the river UI is best i think. but man, i've run into so many maniacs lately.