How big are sng's comparing to ring games ?

[punter11235]

Hello !

I have this question : to what levels in ringgames would you compare say 100 buy in sng.
For example I estimate that no-limit ringgame is about 8 times bigger than limit with the same blinds.
Take into account bankroll needed, standard winrates, variance etc.
Thoughts ?

[Maulik]

its funny because we have an FAQ (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=2821605&page=0&view=colla psed&sb=5&o=2&fpart=1) FAQ stands for Frequently Asked Questions

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[nycplayer]

I looked in the FAQ, and don't see this answered. What am I missing? I'm curious about the answer as well.
To me at least, this is not just a 'how big a bankroll?' question.

[downtown]

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I looked in the FAQ, and don't see this answered. What am I missing? I'm curious about the answer as well.
To me at least, this is not just a 'how big a bankroll?' question.

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But it is answered, because you can base the FAQs answer on bankroll requirements for whatever other game you usually play.

[punter11235]

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But it is answered, because you can base the FAQs answer on bankroll requirements for whatever other game you usually play.

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What I am interested in is "feel" not strict bankroll requirements/winrates etc. For example if I play 5/10 limit I "feel" its smaller than 200NL but 10/20limit is bigger. If I play 100SNG I feel that its bigger game than 200NL but smaller than 500NL etc. Just wondering whats ohter's feelings are.

Best wishes

[nycplayer]

This is how I understood you. I haven't played any SNGs over $22 (other than heads-up), but so far they all feel smaller than NL$100 ring games to me.

[Nottom]

Having played both I'd say 5/10 is probably about the same size as $100 SNGs. BR reqs and win rates should be similar as well for players of equal skill.

Honestly I don't know how well the others match up. I guess 50s are roughly in line with 3/6 but to me they seem bigger.

The $5s are probably the smallest game available on party, the 10s are basically in line with .5/1. 20s, 1/2, 30s are probably around 2/4.

The big difference in the 20s and 30s vs 1/2 and 2/4 is that I think much bigger win rates are possible compared to the limit counterparts.

[Nottom]

SNGs are deceptively big IMO. You don't truely understand it until you run bad. That said I wouldn't expect a $20 SNG to be as big as a $100 NL game. I think it would fall somewhere between the 30s and 50s if I had to guess.

[The Don]

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SNGs are deceptively big IMO. You don't truely understand it until you run bad. That said I wouldn't expect a $20 SNG to be as big as a $100 NL game. I think it would fall somewhere between the 30s and 50s if I had to guess.

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Agreed, $22s are about the same as NL100 swings wise.

[swarm]

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Having played both I'd say 5/10 is probably about the same size as $100 SNGs. BR reqs and win rates should be similar as well for players of equal skill.

The $5s are probably the smallest game available on party, the 10s are basically in line with .5/1. 20s, 1/2, 30s are probably around 2/4.

The big difference in the 20s and 30s vs 1/2 and 2/4 is that I think much bigger win rates are possible compared to the limit counterparts.

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No way, you should have $20,000 bank roll to be multitabling 5/10. You can easily multi-table 100 SNG's with $5,000 or $10,000 bankroll if you are conservative.

To put it into perspective if you have a 10 buy in down swing at 2/4 NL that is $4,000. (This is not unheard of by the way; i've heard of people tilting this away in one night).

At the 100's in the SNG's that is a 40 buy in down swing. Those are extremely, extremely rare...

To me 3/6NL is more like the 100's 5/10 is possibly compared to the 200's, possibly i still feel that 5/10 plays on a higher level...

Only reason party doesn't have a higher SNG level is because the steps are such a rake trap for them.

[networkman]

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No way, you should have $20,000 bank roll to be multitabling 5/10. You can easily multi-table 100 SNG's with $5,000 or $10,000 bankroll if you are conservative.

To put it into perspective if you have a 10 buy in down swing at 2/4 NL that is $4,000. (This is not unheard of by the way; i've heard of people tilting this away in one night).

At the 100's in the SNG's that is a 40 buy in down swing. Those are extremely, extremely rare...

To me 3/6NL is more like the 100's 5/10 is possibly compared to the 200's, possibly i still feel that 5/10 plays on a higher level...

Only reason party doesn't have a higher SNG level is because the steps are such a rake trap for them.

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The OP was quite clear that he was talking about standard of play or 'feel' as he put it, not bankroll requirement.

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Having played both I'd say 5/10 is probably about the same size as $100 SNGs. BR reqs and win rates should be similar as well for players of equal skill.

The $5s are probably the smallest game available on party, the 10s are basically in line with .5/1. 20s, 1/2, 30s are probably around 2/4.

The big difference in the 20s and 30s vs 1/2 and 2/4 is that I think much bigger win rates are possible compared to the limit counterparts.

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I've played all those games bar 5/10 and it sounds right to me.

[Nottom]

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No way, you should have $20,000 bank roll to be multitabling 5/10.

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If this were true no one would be playing 5/10.

edit: I was talking about limit.

[Nottom]

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Only reason party doesn't have a higher SNG level is because the steps are such a rake trap for them.

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This has been shown to not be true (steps being a "rake trap"). If anything its because Party (as opposed to Empire or Euro) has a monopoly on the high end SNGs with the steps and has no desire to share rake with the other skins.

[networkman]

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No way, you should have $20,000 bank roll to be multitabling 5/10.

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If this were true no one would be playing 5/10.

edit: I was talking about limit.

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Yeah, me too.