Has playing SNGs negatively affected your MTT game?

[mlagoo]

I've recently been trying to start playing MTTs again, and damnit, it's hard.

All of the marginal situations that I could avoid in SNGs because I know I'll just pick up chips when it came to push/fold time, I suddenly have to stay involved in. Do I call a raise with KQ preflop? Call a raise with (gasp) a low/medium pocket pair?

And I can't seem to bully the blinds the way I do in SNGs because, whereas in SNGs by the time the blinds are worth stealing there are 5-7 people left, in MTTs we're still at a full table, and there is always someone opening before me.

Why are these multis so hard? How the hell do those MTT guys make a living?


I guess what I'm trying to say with this thread (pointless as it may be) is: My name is mlagoo, and I suck at post-flop play.

[spentrent]

My worst problem is playing too tight in MTTs. In MTTs I prefer to play hyper-aggressively to create an image that will get my monsters paid off.

This is a huge departure from my ABC-weak SNG style... sometimes I catch myself playing like a wuss in MTTs because of that.

[bmxreed36]

This is why I like playing MTT's, usually at least a couple a day. Playing overly tight on SNG's can get pretty boring and playing MTT's is like a treat where you can splurge with the hands you limp, call, and raise with and sometimes I'll buy into a cheap one just to experiment with certain plays or strategies that might translate over into SNG's.

[Degen]

SNG's have helped my MTT game profoundly

[pooh74]

no...vice versa

[mlagoo]

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[mlagoo]

have you not found that playing SNGs sort of trains us to avoid the marginal situations that you have to understand in order to excel in MTTs?

[FieryJustice]

I suck at mtts...I havent had a final table since I first started playing sngs... /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[jedinite]

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I agree. I was almost purely a MTT player before I started on STT, and after tuning my game to a solid winner (at least for the sample size I've got) I've found that I have learned a lot that can be applied to my MTT play, and I don't think its only the extra hands...

I think a lot of things I've tuned in SNG play in MTTs: "focused agression", "don't call with hands that might be barely +cEV but not +$EV", what hands play well hot + cold, putting your opponents on tournament hand ranges based on their raise/push/call/, etc.

[yeau2]

I think its difficult in the medium stages of the MTT for us sngers to adjust to teh tables are still staying full but the blinds are still going up. You can't just easily 'pick up chips' using pure aggression as you do with the sngs with 4-6 people left.

However, I think playing sngs has helped me DRASTICALLY when a MTT gets down to 1-3 tables left, because these tables end up playing much like Sit-n-Goes do (especially the final table).

[mlagoo]

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I think its difficult in the medium stages of the MTT for us sngers to adjust to teh tables are still staying full but the blinds are still going up. You can't just easily 'pick up chips' using pure aggression as you do with the sngs with 4-6 people left.

However, I think playing sngs has helped me DRASTICALLY when a MTT gets down to 1-3 tables left, because these tables end up playing much like Sit-n-Goes do (especially the final table).

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Yeah I should have noted that it is the middle stages, not the early or late stages, that are giving me fits.

Which also explains why it isn't really an issue in like, 40-50 person home tourneys -- the middle stages don't really exist, at least not to the extent that they exist in 1000-2000 person online tourneys.

I just can't seem to find the proper balance of aggression and patience. In SNGs, I think I've found that balance, or at least the balance that works in SNGs. In MTTs, I am having a great deal of difficulty "picking the right spots," as it were. Perhaps one of these days I'll sort through a bunch of old HHs and pick out a bunch of hands I wasn't sure about.

[elrudo]

Playing SnGs made me too agressive on the bubble in MTTs.

Other than that, it helped my game a lot.
Especially for the shooutout MTTs /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[yeau2]

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Yeah I should have noted that it is the middle stages, not the early or late stages, that are giving me fits.

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I think that may also because in sngs we do all the multi table bs that we don't try to pick up vague tells etc, at least as much as we should.

A.k.a., the middle stages of the tournaments can be aided by paying attention to players during the early levels. We have a tendency not to do that as much as we should because of SNGs.

[The Don]

No difference really... probably helped my final table play a bit.

[raptor517]

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No difference really... probably helped my final table play a bit.

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there is no doubt it did. sngs teach you how to PLAY a final table. thats a gigantic edge. holla