99, bet into with overcards on board

[Willluck]

UTG is 59/31/2.4
Party 3/6 (6-max) 6 players

Dealt to hero [ 9h, 9d ] in UTG+1
UTG raises, hero 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG calls

Flop: Jc, Tc, 4c (7.5 SB)

UTG bets, Hero...???

[bank]

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[wackjob]

I raise. Hes betting this flop with any overcard of clubs.

[wackjob]

"Call this. WAWB situation against a LAG."

I think you are wrong. We are either slightly ahead, or way behind. I think villain is likely to have 2 overs + flush draw. We must not let him see the turn that cheap.

[Drontier]

call and raise a nonclub non Q non K non A turn

[bank]

I was wrong...misread the flop completely which is why I edited my post.

I think raising the flop is wrong in this situation. Villian could be laggy enough to 3 bet a flush/straight draw on this flop (and bet Hero out). I would either fold right here or call and see the turn...

I would like to see what some good players have to say about this hand.

[Willluck]

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call and raise a nonclub non Q non K non A turn

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...Hero calls
Turn: [ Ah ]
UTG bets, hero folds...???

[bank]

I like it. Only thing you're ahead of is 22,33,55-88 which I think are very unlikely holdings.

[Drontier]

correct, if hes a smart player you can consider raising, but against donks or usual pp players this is an easy fold i think.

[wackjob]

Such a weak line to call here. Raise the flop or fold the flop. I still prefer raise.

[bank]

What do you do if Villian 3 bets?

[Lmn55d]

if you are ahead on the flop, your equity isn't very much above 50%. KQ is ahead of you and KQ with a club is significantly ahead of you for example. I think you want to see a turn before deciding to commit any more chips. So I definitely don't like raising. If I was going to continue I would call and reevaluate on the turn.

[Drontier]

some of your replies really interest me. how is calling weak if you plan on raising the turn. this is a hand where IF you are ahead, your equity will change drastically depending on the turn card. its much better to raise carefully isntead of using blind aggression.

[Willluck]

I think calling the flop then raising a safe turn is best, because so many cards can come that will [censored] your hand, so your equity is either a lot smaller or a lot larger on the turn. BTW, folding the flop against this guy is bad, I forgot to mention his flop aggression was at 3.6.

[Willluck]

LOL (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=3123449&page=0&view=c ollapsed&sb=5&o=14&vc=1)

[Drontier]

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[twankerr]

Fold the flop bet. Even without a J or a T, UTG has a huge equity edge on this flop. You have no reason to go to war here.

[college_boy]

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Such a weak line to call here. Raise the flop or fold the flop. I still prefer raise.

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Why?

[twankerr]

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I raise. Hes betting this flop with any overcard of clubs.

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IF he hasn't paired his J or T he is also betting a straight draw and two overcards. He probably has enough equity to make a raise on the flop definately incorrect.

[Willluck]

I forgot to mention in the op that his flop aggression was 3.6, so he has a rather wide range of hands he is betting on this flop.

[twankerr]

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I forgot to mention in the op that his flop aggression was 3.6, so he has a rather wide range of hands he is betting on this flop.

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Show me his flop aggression on monotone flops and I'll agree his range is rather large. Even aggressive players freeze up on boards like this.