*OFFICIAL* GG TD 2-7 tourney thread

[MarkGritter]

Saw a lot of familiar faces (err--- screen names?) drop by the ring game in the past half hour.

We have 27 entrants (5 tables), top 3 pay.

Good luck, all. Discuss whatever enters your mind below.

[MarkGritter]

First two showdowns at my table were won by a 96 (vs. 97) and a 98. Where's the drama in that?

Also: DEATH TO LIMPERS!

[timprov]

I won my first pot with an 86 calling down a guy who thought aces were low. Feels just like 24h.

[MarkGritter]

I won my first pot with a wheel, but didn't get to showdown because my opponent misclicked and dumped his 2.

[twankerr]

I hate how they use $25 chips and stick them under the $5 when raising and 3-betting.

[fnord_too]

Lost my first two pots, the play was....interesting. The second one I stayed pat with a J9 after villain drew one last draw. He bet into me and I call because I call down too much when I don't know someone, and he shows a J6. Curious bet on the end there, I don't know if he thought he was value betting or bluffing.

[twankerr]

Hit a 4 twice drawing to a 2356 :/

[MarkGritter]

I get 95432 in EP and raise to enter. One of the blinds reraises; he seems to be very aggressive 1-card draws--- I just saw him raise and cap with one. I 4-bet and he calls (is 5 the cap here or not?)

I stand pat as he draws one each time, check the fourth round. He shows 66742.

Whaddya think? Break?

[fnord_too]

1 card bb 8 draw (that got there on the last draw) meet pat 7. Meh, the cards are mocking me tonight.

[bobman0330]

That was a bluff. and a stupid one too. Does any action say I WILL CALL YOU more than just calling after the second draw and standing pat?

[fnord_too]

Took me by surprise since your J has showdown value against someone standing pat there. I usually bet 875 and better and some A high and worse hands. (I fold there agaisnt people who I know won't bluff much, but like I said, I call down a lot there until I know someone.)

[twankerr]

Button raise with 357xx and get called by SB and BB. All draw two. You still have 357xxx

BB bets, you call, SB calls.

SB draws one, BB draws one, you draw two.
You catch 23579

BB bets, you call, SB calls

Both draw one. You stay pat or break?

edit, i know im a nit

[timprov]

An interesting hand:

I openraise on the button with 8642, Random calls in the sb and bb calls. Random draws 2, bb draws 3, I brick. Checked to me, I bet, both call. Random draws 2, bb draws 1, I catch a 3. Random checks, bb bets, I call?

Playing TD with a 2/3 blind structure is nuts.

[randomstumbl]

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That was a bluff. and a stupid one too. Does any action say I WILL CALL YOU more than just calling after the second draw and standing pat?

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Depending on the action, it seems like a 9, ten or jack. It's a horrible bluff unless the other player folds on the river after standing pat on occasion. Some players do that, some don't. Almost no one does it against an unknown player - that's why it's horrible.

[MarkGritter]

3 limpers, I'm in the SB with 56 and it's $10 more to call in a $140 pot, I say "what the heck", BB raises, all call.

I draw 3 and pick up a 7, BB draws 2, others 2, 2, 2.

BB bets, all call, I fold (though it pained me to do so getting 14:1 AGAIN.)

Draws are 2,1,1,2.

I think one bet goes in on the last round from each player, not sure who started.

BB draws 1, UTG 1, MP 1, button 2.

BB shows J8432, button has 87642 and wins $780.

[fnord_too]

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Button raise with 357xx and get called by SB and BB. All draw two. You still have 357xxx

BB bets, you call, SB calls.

SB draws one, BB draws one, you draw two.
You catch 23579

BB bets, you call, SB calls

Both draw one. You stay pat or break?

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Stay pat

[timprov]

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Button raise with 357xx and get called by SB and BB. All draw two. You still have 357xxx

BB bets, you call, SB calls.

SB draws one, BB draws one, you draw two.
You catch 23579

BB bets, you call, SB calls

Both draw one. You stay pat or break?

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I would have raised hoping to chase SB away so I could stand pat.

[MarkGritter]

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Button raise with 357xx and get called by SB and BB. All draw two. You still have 357xxx

BB bets, you call, SB calls.

SB draws one, BB draws one, you draw two.
You catch 23579

BB bets, you call, SB calls

Both draw one. You stay pat or break?

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Stay pat

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Yup. I wouldn't value-bet, though.

[MarkGritter]

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Playing TD with a 2/3 blind structure is nuts.

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I'm loving it. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[timprov]

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Playing TD with a 2/3 blind structure is nuts.

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I'm loving it. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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I think Random might be getting annoyed with my openlimping into his bb.

[MarkGritter]

I'm liking the relaxed structure--- everybody's still in after two levels. Min 570, max 3500, so there's definitely been chip movement.

[bobman0330]

Here's one. SB is a terrible calling station, BB seems passive, unnotable. folded to me in the CO with 87522. I raise. I have a bit of a maniacal image, SB calls and draws. she draws 2, I draw 1 and catch a 9. check-bet-call. she draws 1, i draw 1 and catch a Q. check-check, we each draw 1. i pair the 8 and bet. good?

[timprov]

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Here's one. SB is a terrible calling station, BB seems passive, unnotable. folded to me in the CO with 87522. I raise. I have a bit of a maniacal image, SB calls and draws. she draws 2, I draw 1 and catch a 9. check-bet-call. she draws 1, i draw 1 and catch a Q. check-check, we each draw 1. i pair the 8 and bet. good?

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I would probably have kept the 9.

[MarkGritter]

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Here's one. SB is a terrible calling station, BB seems passive, unnotable. folded to me in the CO with 87522. I raise. I have a bit of a maniacal image, SB calls and draws. she draws 2, I draw 1 and catch a 9. check-bet-call. she draws 1, i draw 1 and catch a Q. check-check, we each draw 1. i pair the 8 and bet. good?

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I'd be tempted to stand pat with the 9 since making your 87 might not be much better. But, you don't want to have to break and draw to an 87 either.

[Keith Fellmy]

I like the game but I suck at it!!!!

[timprov]

Did I get resnowed?

Random openraises UTG, I call in the BB with 2377. We both discard 2, I draw 27, so I bet, he calls, I stand pat and he draws 1. I bet, he raised, I three-bet, he called, and we both stood pat. I check-folded. Standard?

[MarkGritter]

akiFCP 4140
(after winning a HUGE multiway pot at my table --- $1440 with 98532)
theresa113 3320 (anyone know who she is?)
DVL 3140
gobears 2830
bobman0330 2730
Tapirboy 2680 (our own Timprov)
twankdawg 2620
cantraise 2580
dogsballs 2480
randomstumbl 2320
Tom Bayes 2180
DeathsHead 2030
Pinhead 1990
jeannie 1840
Fish N Chips 1760
byarger 1740
mgritter 1550 (and not looking too good on those side bets.)
joekr 1520
fnord 1520
Xaston 1510
SwampThing 1480
BClap 1410
brewcam 1370
MartyMcFly 1300
malfx 1140
umizawa 820
nerdlinger Finished 27th

One person at my table complained that there was only one person exited so far...

[randomstumbl]

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Did I get resnowed?

Random openraises UTG, I call in the BB with 2377. We both discard 2, I draw 27, so I bet, he calls, I stand pat and he draws 1. I bet, he raised, I three-bet, he called, and we both stood pat. I check-folded. Standard?

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I had an 86. You probably still had some fold equity if you check-raised the river, but that would have been a truly ballsy play.

[twankerr]

oh god the black chips are horrible!! OH THE LOVE

[MarkGritter]

Finally 2345 comes through for me! I've been expensively pairing or getting an A on the last draw, but this time I hit a 9 on the last draw vs. villian who drew 1 and stood pat. He bets a 97642 into me and I take down an $875 pot.

[Tom Bayes]

Good time. Only 1 out of 27 at break (at 24h most of the field would be gone with the fast structure and clueless play). I'm 11th/26 with 2180, so not much progress from the 2000 starting stack.

Most notable hand was failing to put umizawa out. He was all-in, I had #4 (76542) and he had #3 (76532).

He didn't know it, but one of Tapirboy's A-5 wheels was g00t.

I also pulled off a succesful snow with a pat 777JJ in the pre-tourney side game /images/graemlins/cool.gif

After break, umizawa tried to snow me, but I had 7542 and hit the wheel on the 2nd draw. He gave up and laid down 44422.

[randomstumbl]

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One person at my table complained that there was only one person exited so far...

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I think skipping the first level would probably make a better structure for more experienced players. The pots didn't seem that signifcant.

This structure is probably better for people who are just trying the game for the first time.

[fnord_too]

I am running so friggin bad right now. At least I'm not killing my S&G ROI more some more tonight.

[MarkGritter]

Ouch... chip leader raises to enter from the button. I have 8763 and reraise from the SB. BB who is the short stack 3-bets, button calls, I call.

I draw one card (a 7), other two both draw 2.

I bet out, BB raises as I hoped, Button 3-bets. I fold.

They both stand pat and eventually BB gets all-in. He has 85432 and wins $1680 vs button's 87543 four-flush.

CL is knocked back down among the mortals and the short stack is back in the game.

[fnord_too]

Out in 25th. I had been wondering if I was on a cooler or playing bad lately. If this (ant the other last two tournies I've played) is any indication, definitely a cooler, which is the easier of the two to deal with.

[timprov]

I'm suddenly second in chips. The hand that got me there was bizarre. I don't remember the positions, except that I was OOP. Anyway I five-bet predraw with 23456 and villain drew 1. I drew a 9, bet, he raised, I called and broke, he drew 1. I drew a T, bet, he raised, I called and broke, he drew 1 again. I drew a miracle 7, bet, and unfortunately he disappointed me by just calling.

[MarkGritter]

Back from the brink. I raise 8752 from EP, SB reraises, BB calls, I cap.

SB is pat, BB draws 2, I draw 1. I get a 4. What to do? If I was going to break, it should have been on the first draw.

So, SB bets, BB calls, I raise, SB reraises, BB reraises, I call.

SB stays pat, BB draws 1, I stay pat.

I'm all in on the next round, BB is hanging in there and draws 1 again. He calls the last round.

I show 87542.
SB has 87652 (!)
BB has 97543 (!).

I win $3150 (although I lose a bunch next hand with yet another 2345 on the last draw...)

Now, who's the fish here?

[bobman0330]

here's one that doesn't involve me making nonsensical bluffs:
two limpers, SB completes, i check with A7653. draws are 3,1 (correct?), 2,2. SB, who is a big maniac leads. I catch a 7 and raise. both fold, SB calls and draws 1. i brick, he bets, i call, we both draw, i brick again and fold to his bet. Thoughts? particularly on the raise after the first draw.

[MarkGritter]

Transcript with annoying railbird:

Game starts, 2-7 3D Lowball, hand #2042519
akiFCP, it's your turn
This is the first draw
akiFCP stands pat
joekr draws 2 cards
mgritter draws 1 card
This is the second draw
akiFCP stands pat
joekr draws 1 card
WilyTilt: JOPKE
WilyTilt: what a jopke
akiFCP: donkeys always draw
mgritter stands pat
WilyTilt: donkeys raise an draw
WilyTilt: hahahaha
BClap: gl MG
This is the last draw
akiFCP stands pat
joekr draws 1 card
mgritter: mhing /images/graemlins/smile.gif
mgritter stands pat
WilyTilt: draw donkey
mgritter: i'm a big idiot
joekr, it's your turn
joekr has reconnected and now has 20 seconds to act
joekr, it's your turn
mgritter shows 5 8 2 7 4
akiFCP shows 2 7 5 8 6
joekr shows 4 3 5 7 9
akiFCP wins $500 with 8 7 6 5 2
mgritter: yessssssssssss
mgritter wins $3150 with 8 7 5 4 2

[MarkGritter]

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here's one that doesn't involve me making nonsensical bluffs:
two limpers, SB completes, i check with A7653. draws are 3,1 (correct?), 2,2. SB, who is a big maniac leads. I catch a 7 and raise. both fold, SB calls and draws 1. i brick, he bets, i call, we both draw, i brick again and fold to his bet. Thoughts? particularly on the raise after the first draw.

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The raise is good thinking, although I would probably want a somewhat better hand to try it--- even 8763 would be better. What did you fold? Hopefully nothing less than a K or A, maybe not even those.

[timprov]

joekr finally showed up just in time to give you his chips! He was our table's version of early-tourney Phil Hellmuth until he moved.

[bobman0330]

oh, right. paired the 5. thought about raising it, since the betting made so little sense, but decided against it.

[MarkGritter]

Dang. I move to a new table just as Timprov is about to finish off Tom Bayes and earn me $5. But Tom manages to hit a wheel.

Now I have Timprov and randomstumbl to my right (position good, having them steal bad) while I get to steal Tom Bayes's blind as he is two to my left.

[MarkGritter]

Tapirboy 8175
cantraise 6545
gobears 6536
joekr 6087
byarger 4180
Tom Bayes 3710
BClap 3485
DeathsHead 3055
bobman0330 2916
umizawa 2230
MartyMcFly 2027
Pinhead 1996
SwampThing 1858
mgritter 1200
theresa113 15th
randomstumbl 16th
DVL 17th
FishNChips 18th
akiFCP 19th
malfx 20th
dogsballs 21st
brewcam 22nd
Xaston 23rd
twankdawg 24th
fnord 25th
jeannie 26th
nerdlinger 27th

Plenty of action now that the blinds are rising faster.

[timprov]

Now watch me lose our last longer.

[MarkGritter]

I found a hand to commit to: 85322 one off the button. Tom Bayes reraised from the SB, BB (a very short stack) went all in.

Tom stays pat, BB draws 3, I draw 1 and get my 4.

Now, I have 600 left and it's the 200/400 level. I decide to smooth call Tom's bet, because I will get all-in the next round anyway.

This works like a charm, Tom breaks and draws 1, ending up with 8654Q at showdown and I win about t2600.

ETA: too bad Tom was drawing dead anyway and the effort was wasted.

[MarkGritter]

SB made the classic mistake and limped. I drew 4 to a 5 in the BB and got 862. He bet, I called. He stood pat, I drew a 3. He bets, I raise, he puts me all in and stands pat. MHIG, he has a T8.

I picked up another big chunk of chips to actually overtake Tom Bayes, who now has a $10 chip and a chair after a disastrous 7 draw that didn't show up.

[MarkGritter]

Tom triples up to $30 after I raise to enter with 23 on the button and make an 87632 on the 2nd draw. He makes #2 on the final. I don't mind, I pick up the other t410 in the pot.

Tom triples again with 87543 the next hand.

... and now he's out, with a J vs. a 97532.

[MarkGritter]

Final table:

joker: 10K
TapirBoy: 16K
mgritter 5K
gobears: 12K
BClap: 5K

500/1000 level, 250/500 blinds.

[MarkGritter]

I steal a couple blinds (one with a pat86), then get 2345x in the big blind.

To make a long story short, I broke a T5432 that would have been good when a later player bet after drawing one. Paired 2s instead. 2345 is the bane of my tournament existence.

Now the chips stacks are:
joekr: 9K
Tapirboy: 24K
mgritter: 2K
gobears: 6K
BClap: 10K
Byarger: 3K

[MarkGritter]

I'm out in the bubble-bubble. Got 9873 in the BB, button raised, I decided to commit and went all-in predraw. I made my 9, but button made 87652.

[MarkGritter]

Tapirboy, BClap, and joekr are the last 3 standing. T at about 32K, joker at 15K, BClap at 7K. BClap came back from a very short stack to make it to the money.

BClap goes all in after drawing 2/2, 1/1 with Tapirboy. Tapirboy stands pat on the last draw with 86542 and BClap is drawing dead to a T. He's out for a $74 third prize.

[MarkGritter]

Final results:

14th: umizawa
13th: MartyMcFly
12th: bobman0330
11th: DeathsHead
10th: Pinhead
9th: cantraise
8th: Tom Bayes
7th: SwampThing
6th: byarger
5th: mgritter
4th: gobears
3rd: BClap ($74)
2nd: Tapirboy ($111)
1st: joekr ($185)

Tim had a much bigger stack when HU play started, but lost a couple of heartbreakers.

[timprov]

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Final results:

14th: umizawa
13th: MartyMcFly
12th: bobman0330
11th: DeathsHead
10th: Pinhead
9th: cantraise
8th: Tom Bayes
7th: SwampThing
6th: byarger
5th: mgritter
4th: gobears
3rd: BClap ($74)
2nd: Tapirboy ($111)
1st: joekr ($185)

Tim had a much bigger stack when HU play started, but lost a couple of heartbreakers.

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Great, two hugely blown HU matches in two days. I'm feeling great now. On the bright (dark) side, I'm 95% certain joekr is Phil Hellmuth.

[MarkGritter]

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I think skipping the first level would probably make a better structure for more experienced players. The pots didn't seem that signifcant.

This structure is probably better for people who are just trying the game for the first time.

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I think either dropping the chip count to 1000 or skipping the first level would be appropriate. However, I thought there was still interesting play at the higher levels so maybe skipping the first level is the better option so that the later rounds aren't chip-starved.

The tournament lasted about as long as I anticipated, but it really is too long to play on a regular basis (but cutting out the first 20 minutes would help.) As Tim commented, a four-hour tournament may not be particularly worth it compared to playing $2/$4 TD--- especially if all the strong players are missing. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

A shorter tournament might be OK to pay just 3 places as this one did. A 4-hour tournament should probably pay more places, though.

Thanks to everyone who participated.

[timprov]

I think pulling out the first level is reasonable, but add a level or two on the top. I would have liked more play after we got to headsup.

[MarkGritter]

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I'm out in the bubble-bubble. Got 9873 in the BB, button raised, I decided to commit and went all-in predraw. I made my 9, but button made 87652.

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In retrospect I was thinking like a NLHE player. I have nil folding equity on a reraise so it makes no sense to get my money in before the draw here; smooth calling would be better, and if Villian is on a steal and drawing three maybe he will fold after the 1st draw (unlikely), or give me a free card.

Unlike Hold'em, there is further information to be gained by not going all-in until the next round--- I could have folded and seen 5 more hands before being put all in by the next set of blinds.

Every time I play in a TD tournament or SNG I promise myself I'm only committing my short stack to a hand with position or a strong 1-card draw. Didn't keep that promise this time, either. On the other hand, it probably doesn't make a whole lot of sense to wait for the blinds to pass before committing to a lousy hand, either.

[TRBNGR]

For the most part I liked the structure, but it did feel a little slow. I agree that skipping the first level would've helped.

[fnord_too]

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On the bright (dark) side, I'm 95% certain joekr is Phil Hellmuth.

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The hell you say! Really? What makes you think this? (Never heard of him, but it seems odd he would be in a low buy in TD tourney on GG, or am I just being an idiot without a sarcasm detector?)

[MarkGritter]

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On the bright (dark) side, I'm 95% certain joekr is Phil Hellmuth.

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The hell you say! Really? What makes you think this? (Never heard of him, but it seems odd he would be in a low buy in TD tourney on GG, or am I just being an idiot without a sarcasm detector?)

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Tim is just joking (jopking?) (joeking?) about the fact that joekr sat out for the first hour of the tournament and went on to win it. joekr is a GG regular, shows up pretty often at the low-limit DC tables, I think.

[Keith Fellmy]

I tried it for the first time and I got last!!!!

I am nerdlinger!!!!

Still had a good time. I liked learning a new game. And to those that I asked where I could find some reading material on this game...I thank you for telling me that info is in SS2...which I have but not read yet.

[vabogee]

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I tried it for the first time and I got last!!!!

I am nerdlinger!!!!

Still had a good time. I liked learning a new game. And to those that I asked where I could find some reading material on this game...I thank you for telling me that info is in SS2...which I have but not read yet.

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ya, me too (i was swampthing). had a great time playing with you guys (taking a modest 7th place in the tourney), even though i had very little idea what i was doing. (read SS2 section and played on UB for a bout a half hour before the tourney.) regardless, now i'm hooked . so you'll probably see me post some frustrated newbie hands in the near future. hope i can get involved in the next tourney you guys throw together. congrats joekr, whoever you are.

vab