Positions of authority and being a "good example" (improved)

[wacki]

I see so many people claim positions of authority need to lead by example. I've seen people like this effect jobs from the President of the United States all the way down to the insignificant job of internet forum modding. Some people think that a person in authority should be fired if he isn't a good example no matter how good of a job he does.

What do you think? Say a person is perfect at his job but isn't a good example:

(When I say "break the law" I mean person is not a violent criminal/thief. Public intox/weed is not included in this.)

[jason_t]

Only if their controversial behaviour/views interfere with the quality of work to a point that it becomes worse than the next best candidate for the job or adversely effected the business the company receives.

Make sense?

[Talk2BigSteve]

Is it just me or does anyone else think that Mat should take away the <font color="green"> GREEN </font> from Wacki. First he complains about the way things are run and then about the lawyers and now refers to his job as "the insignificant job of internet forum modding."

If I recall correctly the only reason we had additional mods other than Mat and a few others was because of the "Jesus Guy" Ronald Grossi.

Be happy you are green wacki but if you have questions for you authority PM him don't keep stirring the crap in OOT a forum that you are no longer a mod in.

"Put Your Big Girl Panties On And Deal With It"


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Is it just me or does anyone else think that Mat should take away the <font color="green"> GREEN </font> from Wacki. First he complains about the way things are run and then about the lawyers and now refers to his job as "the insignificant job of internet forum modding."

If I recall correctly the only reason we had additional mods other than Mat and a few others was because of the "Jesus Guy" Ronald Grossi.

Be happy you are green wacki but if you have questions for you authority PM him don't keep stirring the crap in OOT a forum that you are no longer a mod in.

"Put Your Big Girl Panties On And Deal With It"


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Let him cry.

[AngryCola]

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if you have questions for you authority PM him don't keep stirring the crap in OOT a forum that you are no longer a mod in.

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This post isn't for Mat. It's for all of you.

It has little to do with complaining, and a lot more to do with wacki's interest in some of your opinions. However, I do realize it's fun to completely ignore that truth.

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Is it just me or does anyone else think that Mat should take away the GREEN from Wacki.

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I think you and Thinman are alone in this.

[rusellmj]

If it was my company, if my best worker's off work behavior put my company in a bad light, he'd be toast.

[wacki]

Also, I am very happy with some recent changes in 2+2. My open letter to Mat did exactly what I wanted it to do. I currently have NO problems with Mat, if anything I've developed a lot of respect for him recently.

This is a psychology poll if anything.

[touchfaith]

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Wrong forum

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leaders at all levels should lead by example.

[wacki]

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leaders at all levels should lead by example.

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So you are saying an internet mod that admits to of smoked weed in the past should removed of his title?

[wacki]

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So you are saying an internet mod that admits to of smoked weed in the past should removed of his title?

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I like this sentence...it reads funny.

[Eurotrash]

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So you are saying an internet mod that admits to of smoked weed in the past should removed of his title?

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did you say [censored] was getting grandfathered in?


I can't find it in the rules

[touchfaith]

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Just to remind you it's perfectly legal for me to do this.

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That's the third time you've ignored me in 2 days.

You're about as good at ignoring people as you were mod'ing.

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So you are saying an internet mod that admits to of smoked weed in the past should removed of his title?

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No because his position has nothing to do with following the drug laws. I guess I should admend to within the confines of his position. That is he should act as he expects those being led to act.

[touchfaith]

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TOO LATE.

PAY ME!

[CCass]

I am in a position where I hire/fire, and this question really made me stop and think.

I don't think I would fire anyone for their non-job related activities, as long as it didn't impact their job (i.e. a DUI for one an employee that has to drive as part of his job).

I would take into account any "controversial" non-job activities before I hired a person in any type of supervisory role.

[wacki]

bumping for larger sample set

[jakethebake]

What's his net impact? Is the loss of the person's own productivity versus a less-than-perfect alternative enough to offset his negative impact on the productivity of others through his poor example?

[DMBFan23]

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TOO LATE.

PAY ME!

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stop being a dumbass, you know he isnt gonna pay when he types "you are ignoring this user" or clarifies that he's not paying for a certain reason. you even quoted his post in your other reply, removing any real claim you had to getting paid.

catch him for real, sherlock. also the noob he replies to doesn't get the $, the person who catches him replying to the noob gets the $. so even if you bust him you're gonna make someone else some $.

[touchfaith]

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TOO LATE.

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stop being a dumbass, you know he isnt gonna pay when he types "you are ignoring this user" or clarifies that he's not paying for a certain reason. you even quoted his post in your other reply, removing any real claim you had to getting paid.

catch him for real, sherlock. also the noob he replies to doesn't get the $, the person who catches him replying to the noob gets the $. so even if you bust him you're gonna make someone else some $.

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Welcome to yesterday

[wacki]

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What's his net impact? Is the loss of the person's own productivity versus a less-than-perfect alternative enough to offset his negative impact on the productivity of others through his poor example?

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At work the empoyee is perfect.

For example:

Athlete: pretend the worlds best tennis player turned out to be tubgirl.

Employee: In accounting/finance and all he has to do is crunch numbers. He does a perfect job but happens to drive to Canada to smoke weed and bang an escort every weekend. He's not breaking the laws, and he crunches numbers perfectly and faster than anyone else. Coworkers complain all the time but they love his work. Many want him fired or to change his ways.

Mathematician: Worlds greatest but happens to have tattoo's and piercings all over his body. Despite this he is an amazing teacher and kids love him and learn more from him than any other. He goes to raves and smokes opium in Amsterdamn. The trustees are happy because research is being done at an amazing pace. The parents are furious and want litigation but they have no case. Should Oxford fire him?

[jakethebake]

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What's his net impact? Is the loss of the person's own productivity versus a less-than-perfect alternative enough to offset his negative impact on the productivity of others through his poor example?

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At work the empoyee is perfect.

For example:

Athlete: pretend the worlds best tennis player turned out to be tubgirl.

Employee: In accounting/finance and all he has to do is crunch numbers. He does a perfect job but happens to drive to Canada to smoke weed and bang an escort every weekend. He's not breaking the laws, and he crunches numbers perfectly and faster than anyone else. Coworkers complain all the time but they love his work. Many want him fired or to change his ways.

Mathematician: Worlds greatest but happens to have tattoo's and piercings all over his body. Despite this he is an amazing teacher and kids love him and learn more from him than any other. He goes to raves and smokes opium in Amsterdamn. The trustees are happy because research is being done at an amazing pace. The parents are furious and want litigation but they have no case. Should Oxford fire him?

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I understand that. But I assume that the negative aspects of his personality have some kind of impact on the company. Assume, it influences his co-workers to do their jobs less than optimally for some reason. Say they spend more time aropund the water cooler talking about him. Ir it has a negative impact on the company's credibility, which costs the company money. There must be some negative impact. I think your answer depends on the net impact of the difference in profitability between his optimal performance and the next best options suboptimal performance netted against whatever negative impacts there may be.

[mslif]

Well I think your private life is your business and your business only. If you are ignorant enough to bring it to work then you should suffer the consequences. Smoking weed or being a drunk would not be known in the work place unless you bring it up.
I would not want an employee who comes to work and talk about what a looser they are outside of work.
I think you should behave yourself as an adult at work and outside of work.

[James Boston]

Does it involve breaking the law on a level that the public might hear about via the local media, but not severe enough that you do time? I.E. soliciting a prostitute. If so, in many situations, they should probably be fired.

[Phat Mack]

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Say a person is perfect at his job but isn't a good example:

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How can you be perfect at your job and not be a good example?

[wacki]

See my math teacher example. Stuff like that happens all the time. Many Dem's argue Clinton was the perfect president but he is far from a good example for family values. Seriously, this concept shouldn't be that hard to get.

Another thing... when I posted my tiny violin picture in response to BigSteve, a poster got upset because a moderator of 2+2 shouldn't be able to do that in her opinion. It is that kind of mentality I'm talking about.

FYI: this is not a campaign for me to become OOT mod. I'm very happy with the way things are.