$109s - Another Bluff Hand

[Unarmed]

Hopefully you guys don't get tired of seeing these. /images/graemlins/grin.gif
How's the bet size? Just trying to push out two hearts or a 4. I don't think I should even bother trying to move an 8 off his hand, so I didn't see the benefit of betting more.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 (t1055)
CO (t1080)
Button (t2295)
SB (t925)
Hero (t940)
UTG (t1305)
UTG+1 (t1600)
MP1 (t800)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, CO calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t90) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: (t90) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t60</font>, CO folds, SB calls t60.

River: (t210) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t70</font>

[microbet]

I think the bet sizes are good. Especially if he is a decent player. He has played it so weakly that he would most likely read larger bets as bluffs. Your river bet certainly can't be a big mistake because you can fold to a reraise with such a clean conscience.

[Ryendal]

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Hopefully you guys don't get tired of seeing these.


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No, they are very interesting /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Well I have nothing to say here, the bet size at the river is interesting if you did'nt see any form of agressivity from theses 2 players.

[Newt_Buggs]

maybe bet the flop to begin with?

[AlphaWice]

he calls too often with Ace or 8 here: pop it to 120 on river and you can still fold but the strength is higher so that he only calls with J+_

[TT_fold]

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he calls too often with Ace or 8 here: pop it to 120 on river and you can still fold but the strength is higher so that he only calls with J+_

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I think this bet folds out Ax, no?

Great bet; I need to incorporate this play into my game, because I often foolishly check behind on a non-flush-completing river.

[HoldingFolding]

Don't know about the 109s, but in a 22/33 a bet on the flop here would usually take it down.

[curtains]

Well typically I just check the entire way. Of course its okay to bluff sometimes, but there is no way one can say that this is the "correct" play in this precise spot, however it's also hard to say that it's "incorrect".

Your bet size on turn is fine if you are trying to bluff, I would bet a bit more on river if I wanted to bluff, but whatever.

[bennies]

After the turn I like your river bet (I wouldn't bet any street to begin with though). I don't think it folds out a 4 though, but less seems enough for it to be worth it.

[curtains]

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maybe bet the flop to begin with?

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A turn bluff is usually safer as you simply have much more information. Of course I usually don't try this in sit and gos (although sometimes, but more commonly in multis).

[Jason Strasser]

Intresting.

Its pretty uncommon to see people bluff in small pots, but I think because of this its a decent idea to try stuff like this once in a while. It really does look like a blocking bet with a jack or something. Im a fan.

-Jason

[Unarmed]

Thanks all for the replies. My thoughts were:

If SB hit something on the flop he'd lead it there, so he has nothing, CO would have bet a good jack on the flop the bulk of the time last to act. Pot should be mine as I could easily have sandbagged a big hand on the flop.

I get a call out of SB so he has an 8, a stubborn 4, a 3, or a draw. I think on the river I can fold out 4s, 3s, and draws with a t70 bet, but to move off the 8 would take 150 or something. I don't like the risk reward of those last 80 chips so I just bet 70 and hope he's on the latter.

Oh and betting the flop didn't cross my mind. As curtains said, I have no information, no hand, and horrid position. ALL-IN BABY /images/graemlins/grin.gif