Engineering a Train Wreck

[skirtus]

I played 2 sets last night. This was my goal for the night. I'm a part-timer and look to get in 20-25 sets per week. After good results from the 1st 2 sets I fired up a third. It was late and the results show I was getting tired. I'm posting this for comments and to burn into my brain my mistakes so I don't repeat them again. I got myself into a tricky situation on Hand #1. I let the results affect the the next few hands and soon I made a train wreck of the entire set.



Hand#1 Limp with 88. Flop is draw heavy. I'm done with this hand until it's checked through and I turn trips on the river. I proceed with caution and feel I have to fold to his river bet. Not sure how I should have played this turn with that board.


***** Hand History for Game 2508414809 *****
15/30 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14702759) - Tue Aug 09 23:08:49 EDT 2005
Table Table 11810 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: skibumrules4 (745)
Seat 2: wperkinsLS1 (735)
Seat 3: achilds18 (755)
Seat 4: Skirtus (800)
Seat 5: kappa3113 (805)
Seat 6: Jac5335 (755)
Seat 7: m_r_c (775)
Seat 8: ThumperToo (755)
Seat 9: BoiseSteeler (1090)
Seat 10: realrookie (785)
realrookie posts small blind (10)
skibumrules4 posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Skirtus [ 8c, 8d ]
wperkinsLS1 folds.
achilds18 folds.
Skirtus calls (15)
kappa3113 shown [Fold,Call(15),Raise(30)to(805)]
realrookie: same hand but no heart, lol
kappa3113 calls (15)
Jac5335 folds.
m_r_c folds.
ThumperToo calls (15)
BoiseSteeler folds.
realrookie calls (5)
skibumrules4 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Kd, Td, Jh ]
realrookie checks.
skibumrules4 checks.
Skirtus checks.
kappa3113 checks.
ThumperToo checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8s ]
realrookie bets (50)
skibumrules4 folds.
Skirtus raises (100) to 100
kappa3113 folds.
ThumperToo folds.
realrookie raises (150) to 200
Skirtus calls (100)
** Dealing River ** : [ As ]
realrookie bets (300)
Skirtus folds.




Hand #2 - A few hands later at the same table. I normally limp with JJ at the $10+1. I mainly play them for set value in EP. Flop comes with no overs and I lead out. My intention was to bet and fold to a raise from the pre-flop raiser. I feel I bet way to much considering my stack size and the pot. I smaller bet would have gotten the info I needed. I get called by the limper and re-raised all-in by the original raiser. I call! I knew I was beat.


***** Hand History for Game 2508436950 *****
15/30 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14702759) - Tue Aug 09 23:11:59 EDT 2005
Table Table 11810 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: skibumrules4 (720)
Seat 2: wperkinsLS1 (705)
Seat 3: achilds18 (645)
Seat 4: Skirtus (585)
Seat 5: kappa3113 (970)
Seat 6: Jac5335 (725)
Seat 7: m_r_c (775)
Seat 8: ThumperToo (740)
Seat 9: BoiseSteeler (1090)
Seat 10: realrookie (1045)
wperkinsLS1 posts small blind (10)
achilds18 posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Skirtus [ Js, Jh ]
Skirtus calls (15)
kappa3113 folds.
Jac5335 folds.
m_r_c calls (15)
ThumperToo folds.
BoiseSteeler calls (15)
realrookie raises (65) to 65
skibumrules4 folds.
wperkinsLS1 folds.
achilds18 folds.
Skirtus calls (50)
m_r_c calls (50)
BoiseSteeler calls (50)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2h, 9d, 4d ]
Skirtus bets (200)
m_r_c folds.
BoiseSteeler calls (200)
realrookie raises (980) to 980
realrookie is all-In.
Skirtus calls (320)
Skirtus is all-In.
BoiseSteeler folds.






Hand #3 - Finish in 3rd in one of my other SnGs. AK ran into AA. It happens. I just doubled up in this SnG and it looks promising for me to finish ITM. A strong finish here would ressurect this set. I wake up with AA. With so many short-stacked I hope to get some action. I freakin limp. I never limp with AA in this level. Sometimes I min-raise but I never limp. Of course the whole table limps also. I bet out and get heads-up with the big stack. This is exactly what I didn't want to happen. The rest of the hand is a complete cluster#$!#!


***** Hand History for Game 2508704546 *****
100/200 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14703336) - Tue Aug 09 23:50:59 EDT 2005
Table Table 12831 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: Skirtus (1330)
Seat 3: lukytim2 (540)
Seat 4: alsluck (5195)
Seat 8: patriotinc (385)
Seat 10: macke35 (550)
patriotinc posts small blind (50)
macke35 posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Skirtus [ Ac, Ah ]
Skirtus calls (100)
lukytim2 calls (100)
alsluck calls (100)
patriotinc folds.
macke35 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4s, Jd, Th ]
macke35 checks.
Skirtus bets (225)
lukytim2 folds.
alsluck raises (450) to 450
macke35 folds.
Skirtus calls (225)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8h ]
Skirtus checks.
alsluck bets (400)
Skirtus calls (400)
** Dealing River ** : [ Js ]
Skirtus bets (380)
Skirtus is all-In.
alsluck shown [Fold,Call(380)]
alsluck calls (380)
Creating Main Pot with $2910 with Skirtus
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2910 |
Board: [ 4s Jd Th 8h Js ]
Skirtus balance 0, lost 1330 [ Ac Ah ] [ two pairs, aces and jacks -- Ac,Ah,Jd,Js,Th ]
alsluck balance 6775, bet 1330, collected 2910, net +1580 [ Jc Td ] [ a full house, Jacks full of tens -- Jc,Jd,Js,Td,Th ]

Obviously I'm tilting at this point. I think I was a little tired and I'm my ROI is lower than what I expect. I'm trying to put my ROI in perspective this morning. I've only been back 2 weeks after 6 months off. My ROI is positive but barely over 75 SnGs at the $10+1. This is due to some variance, mistakes, and now some tilt. I think I will just ignore my ROI and ITM for now and focus on playing better. The results will come if I improve. My bankroll is fat and in no danger of getting depleted at this level unless I continue to play like this day in and day out. I finally regain my senses and just go to bed.

[tigerite]

Hand 1, I am getting all in on the turn, as fast as I can. I probably re-raise more in the first place, and definitely push to his re-raise over me.

Hand 2, Maybe bet a little less on the flop, I think this is way over 2/3rds pot yeah? Then I definitely fold to the flat call and push.. I can't see how JJ is ahead here enough..

Hand 3, Just unlucky and not the worst idea, personally though I'd have just done standard raise, if one of them wakes up with a hand they're going to play back to you anyway with a push.

Hand 1: I like the minraise on the turn, but once he reraises you, it means he likes his hand...push it. Definatly dont fold the river, the only hands that beat you are KQ, QJ, Qx. He could easily have KJ,KT,JT,AT,AJ. And this is a $10+1, he could also have worse.

Hand 2: I think you played waaay too passivly for a $10+1, raise pf. JJ is a premium holding, get your money's worth. I like the All-in call, your ahead more times than you think.

Hand 3: Obviously the limp was wrong(you already know this). On the flop push it. Villain has again raised showing he likes his hand, and he has no idea of your holding. Again, your ahead more times than not.

Thats my 2 cents, good luck at the tables /images/graemlins/smile.gif

damn tigerite, your always the first to respond /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[tigerite]

I'd actually missed that he hadn't raised JJ first in, thought he picked it up in the blinds, in which case a call is ok, hmm it's a tight one between limping and raising UTG, either work, to be honest. I personally raise but limping isn't by any means terrible.

[tigerite]

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damn tigerite, your always the first to respond /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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And, LOL to that. Slow day at work. Holla /images/graemlins/wink.gif By the way, I've played with you a couple of times, I think.

[durron597]

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Hand 1, I am getting all in on the turn, as fast as I can. I probably re-raise more in the first place, and definitely push to his re-raise over me.

Hand 2, Maybe bet a little less on the flop, I think this is way over 2/3rds pot yeah? Then I definitely fold to the flat call and push.. I can't see how JJ is ahead here enough..

Hand 3, Just unlucky and not the worst idea, personally though I'd have just done standard raise, if one of them wakes up with a hand they're going to play back to you anyway with a push.

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I agree with all of this. And for some reason I decided to write that I agree instead of just clicking "quote/continue".

[bennies]

Hand 1. After thinking, I agree you should have pushed after the turn reraise. I think the only hand he could have that beats you at this point is Q9, with AQ, KK, JJ or TT he would probably have raised preflop.

Personally, on the turn, I would have put in more than a minraise to start of with.

[schwza]

1: i'd raise more on the turn. then when it's reraised, i'd push.

2: i'd have c/r'ed all-in instead. but given your bet and the raise, i think you just have to broke there. it's very tough to fold an overpair when you've put in 1/2 your stack already and you're getting great odds.

3: i limp ~0% here.

[AKQJ10]

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Hand 1: I like the minraise on the turn,

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Doesn't the minraise mean that you're giving him pot odds of 225:50 (4.5:1)? Therefore, if he was semibluffing with two diamonds, he's now correct to call. Even with a single A or Q semibluff (EDITED: I mistakenly said K or Q), one could argue he could be right to call if he expects to take much of your stack upon hitting (and consensus seems to be not to fold on the river).

IMO the first raise should be enough to make these draws unprofitable (~200, then he's getting 325:150 to draw to the flush). Then you WANT him to call, but unprofitably.

I'm new to NLHE though; can someone critique my reasoning?

[schwza]

this is all correct except

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Even with a single K ... semibluff, one could argue he could be right to call if he expects to take much of your stack upon hitting

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Kx is drawing dead to a set. but yes, min-raising the turn sucks.

[AKQJ10]

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this is all correct except

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Even with a single K ... semibluff, one could argue he could be right to call if he expects to take much of your stack upon hitting

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Kx is drawing dead to a set. but yes, min-raising the turn sucks.

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Oops, I meant single A or Q. In other words, one-card Broadway draw. Thanks for catching this.