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alexd231232
08-10-2005, 03:31 AM
subject says it all

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (3 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t1525)
SB (t3140)
Hero (t4335)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
Button calls t150, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t450) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets t1375 (All-In)</font>, SB folds, Hero calls t1375.

Turn: (t3200) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t3200) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t3200

citanul
08-10-2005, 03:35 AM
don't check call, push outright. preserve folding equity. it's not like you're expecting to be ahead when you check call, right? you might actually get a hand that's better than yours to fold to a push.

citanul

Jay36489
08-10-2005, 03:36 AM
Easy call. 12 outs to the nuts so you are getting pot odds. Also, you can afford to lose this and be in good shape, and SB is already out.

lastchance
08-10-2005, 03:37 AM
Look at the size of Hero and SB's stack. With less BB, it's probably a good idea, but it just seems excessive.

Still, betting out could be good here.

Jay36489
08-10-2005, 03:39 AM
Personally I don't want and FE here. I want all the chips in the middle, especialy against short stack. Is that wrong?

alexd231232
08-10-2005, 03:41 AM
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don't check call, push outright. preserve folding equity. it's not like you're expecting to be ahead when you check call, right? you might actually get a hand that's better than yours to fold to a push.

citanul

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Do you think you could explain fold equity a bit more in depth, i have a general sense of what it means but am not sure of how to really use it...

lastchance
08-10-2005, 03:47 AM
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Personally I don't want and FE here. I want all the chips in the middle, especialy against short stack. Is that wrong?

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As an underdog with -Chip EV compared to taking a sizable pot down on the flop? Of course.

Fold Equity is pot size * amount of times opponent will fold.

As a concept, it just means, can you make this guy lay down a bunch of the time, and is the pot worth taking down like this?

Jay36489
08-10-2005, 03:53 AM
But you aren't much of an underdog, and have the chance to take him out. I'm not saying to always play a hand like this, just in this instance.