Starting out in SNGs - advice?

[AlmightyJay]

Hey everyone. I've been playing poker seriously for about a year, and in that time I've played maybe 250 SNGs. I currently don't have any money in my accounts, but in the next week or so I'm going to be depositing, and I want to start focusing on SNGs.

I plan on whoring up to a $300-ish bankroll and beginning on the $11s on Party. My immediate goal is to be able to beat the $22s for a decent ROI, in order to supplement my income a little bit. Just a couple questions.

First of all, any advice you can give me on how to start out in the $11's would be greatly appreciated. I've read AeloMagus' guide a few times, and come to this forum every now and then (obviously I'll start coming more often). 250 SNGs in a year is obviously a tiny amount, though, so I don't have a lot of experience with them. I've read both HoH's and TPFAP.

Secondly, let's say my goal is to earn $400 a month playing poker. More is gravy, but $400 is my goal. This seems like a realistic amount to make off of the $22s. Am I wrong? Moving up eventually is certainly an option, but if I can do that with the $22s, I'd like to take it a bit slower.

Thanks in advance!

[acIdREIGN462]

As for advice, read this forum especially bubble hands to get a feel for how aggressive you should be. It is reasonable for a decent player to make $400 a month 4 tabling the 22s.

Good luck and see you around


AcidReign

[AlmightyJay]

Bumparoo, anyone else?

[Seth Money]

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NO RAKEBACK TALK.

[skirtus]

I think its more than reasonable to make $400/month part-time at the 10s. Just depends how many SnGs you plan on playing per month. I would recommend adding tables slowly. Multi-tabling with mistakes will only lose you money. Aleo's guide is a great starting point. You can open up more as you gain confidence and experience. Post hands and read lots of posts. You kinda have to sponge it all in.

[MegaBet]

Playing at the $22s, and you said you'd been playing about a year, so a ROI of 20% is very reasonable. That equates to less than 100 games a month to make $400.

[raptor517]

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I'M CONSIDERING LOCKING IT - citanul

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yer account should be locked. seriously. holla

[Seth Money]

removed.

citanul

[MegaBet]

Haha, I wondered why he was down to the $55s! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Lori]

Remember that Empire will be moving to ipoker.net soon and that ipoker.net sucks.

Also, never take rakeback from someone who won't buy a banner and resorts to cheap tactics. They NEVER pay.

Lori

[Seth Money]

Thats true.... Friggin Raptor, broke ass... HOLLA

[AlmightyJay]

Ideally I'd like to play 150-200 a month. I think that's totally possible with my current situation. I figured that with a 20% ROI at the $22s, that averages to around $800 a month, which should hopefully cover variance well enough that even if I have a terrible month, I could still pull in $200+.

What kind of variance does a decent to good SNG player typically experience? I'm coming from a primarily limit background, though I've also got around 75-100 NL MTTs under my belt, though very low limit. Mostly the $1-3 nightlies on Stars, with only one final table, which was also my only win, but a bunch of 20+ places.

Basically I'm not a noob to poker, or really to SNGs in general, but I am to focusing specifically on them /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Thanks a lot for all the advice I've gotten so far. It's too late for me to get rakeback on Party, unless I can somehow completely cancel my account and create a new one..

[Lori]

The best post I saw on confidence levels for SNGs (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=singletable&Number=1941324 &Forum=f22&Words=%2Bmonte%20%2Bcarlo&Searchpage=0& Limit=25&Main=1941324&Search=true&where=bodysub&Na me=&daterange=1&newerval=1&newertype=y&olderval=&o ldertype=&bodyprev=#Post1941324)

Lori

[tjh]

First of all good luck to the original poster.

%20 ROI at the 20's is not "easy" by any standards but it is within reach. 10% is close to "easy" but still takes attention to detail.

I digress.. the reason why I posted is that I feel that goals should be stated in $/hr not $/month. For example my goal is $4,000/yr. My goal is to also play no more than 20 hours of poker per week. So $50 per week no more than 20 hrs. I guess I am happy with $2.5/hr. A reasonable goal. Even at that rate I could make decent money if I played ALL THE TIME. I do not want to play all the time. Somewhere after 20 hours in a week my real life starts to suffer.

So your goal is attainable but depending on your ROI it will take more or less time.

I dunno just something more to think about.

Good luck.

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tjh

[skirtus]

If you play 100-200 per month you could see some pretty wide swings in variance. I know I had some 100 SnGs with 55% ROI and some with 5% ROI at the 10's. You could even see a negative ROI swing. I too signed up for party without rakeback. Eventually I wanted to get some. Just find a good affiliate with a rakeback at a Party skin. There are lots of good affiliates who advertise here. If you wanted the least variance to generate $400 per month than bonus whoring might be the way to go.

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The best post I saw on confidence levels for SNGs (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=singletable&Number=1941324 &Forum=f22&Words=%2Bmonte%20%2Bcarlo&Searchpage=0& Limit=25&Main=1941324&Search=true&where=bodysub&Na me=&daterange=1&newerval=1&newertype=y&olderval=&o ldertype=&bodyprev=#Post1941324)

Lori

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Could someone explain how the charts work above. I have the 500SNG excel spreadsheet that works out a confidence factor but I would like to use those charts also

Trev

[Maulik]

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Remember that Empire will be moving to ipoker.net soon and that ipoker.net sucks.

Also, never take rakeback from someone who won't buy a banner and resorts to cheap tactics. They NEVER pay.

Lori

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hmm, so does this mean I won't be able to play SNGs on the same network of players when the move occurs?

ty