Following raptors post or just plain stupid?

[TWINUNO]

No reads 2nd hand
***** Hand History for Game 2507689866 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:14698909 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Tuesday, August 09, 21:23:21 EDT 2005
Table Table 11504 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 3: GoRegous ( $785 )
Seat 5: jameslg ( $785 )
Seat 6: twinlentini ( $800 )
Seat 2: FishECat ( $1685 )
Seat 4: jsc13 ( $775 )
Seat 9: ClaireWessel ( $800 )
Seat 10: jeremiah0917 ( $770 )
Seat 7: MsKat35 ( $800 )
Seat 1: FoldingMan ( $800 )
Trny:14698909 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to twinlentini [ 3s 8s ]
MsKat35 calls [15].
ClaireWessel folds.
jeremiah0917 folds.
FoldingMan folds.
FishECat folds.
GoRegous calls [15].
jsc13 calls [15].
jameslg calls [5].
twinlentini: lucky you
twinlentini checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, 8h, 3c ]
FishECat: gotta love it
jameslg checks.
twinlentini checks.
MsKat35 bets [600].
GoRegous folds.
jsc13 folds.
jameslg folds.
twinlentini folds.

[DonButtons]

you have to bet this flop and go from there

[bluewilde]

Do you mean the AJ post? I think TPGK is much more marginal than bottom two pair. Granted, your hand's not invulnerable, but only a set or two-pair beat you. Nobody overbets the pot that badly when they have a hand as strong that; they want action, especially at the $11s where eveyone loves tho show how clever they are with slowplaying. So I think this is a must-call. I don't think you're passing on a marginal spot to gain info (i.e. if you fold you don't see villain's hand) or to preserve your chips. All you pass on is a good chance to double-up. Granted, villain may have you beat or be able to suck out, but I honestly think you're ahead such a large percentage of the time that folding is out of the question. Anybody else?

[Pasterbator]

im sorry, but i dont think there is any way you should be folding this. What can he have that beats you? 88? I think AA (and its failed limp-reraise) is more likely.

Anyway, its a $10+1 so you should be calling this 150% of the time and watch him hit his flush.

Jason

[bluewilde]

Yeah, I meant to mention that too. This feels very much like he limped a big pair (JJ+) and now feels stupid and wants people out. I think you'll see QQ and JJ here a lot, again, I think at the $11s AA thinks himself smart and softplays this flop, so I'd be more surprised to see aces. Either way, I'm thinking big pair, which you're way ahead of.

[petvan]

insta push

[TWINUNO]

Yea i acutally did push back at this,(so maybe more of a bad beat post sorry). He showed me k9 and hit a k on the turn. At least there happy. So if i bet and it came a K i could have thrown it away so now that i think about it, i did play it bad. Never overrate a 10/1.

[Nottom]

This guy has a flush draw 75% of the time and some random K most of the rest of the time. The only hand I would actually be worried about is Ac8c which is a slight favorite over you and would consider a massive over bet like this.

Either way you need to bet the flop here because bottom 2 pair is a good but very vulnerable holding especially with the 2 flush on board and giving free cards is just bad poker.

[petvan]

Too true.

[yabastid]

Bet the flop and call a push.

Results aside, a push was easily the best play you could have made here. Although you lost, you can still feel good about getting your chips in as about a 75% favorite. A player that bets 600 at a 50 chip pot would have likely come over the top had you bet the flop, so I think you would have had the all in situation regardless

[psyduck]

horrible weak-tight fold

[adanthar]

I was gonna post something mean but then I thought 'nah, nobody can be this weak tight, it's a bad beat post' and sure enough, when I scrolled down, it was. Anyway, river quads.

[11t]

I would never ever fold this in a 10+1.