A few hands from last night

[skirtus]

All of these hands made me pause for a moment. Thought I would post them. No real maniacs in these hands but it is a $10+1.

Hand #1 -

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100/200 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14671271) - Mon Aug 08 22:35:53 EDT 2005
Table Table 12159 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: greedy_aces (780)
Seat 2: Skirtus (750)
Seat 3: Sheydog (1715)
Seat 5: ClayBalla (1285)
Seat 6: philly13 (905)
Seat 7: Wusby14 (960)
Seat 8: hsagent (1060)
Seat 9: TITLEIST_27 (545)
greedy_aces posts small blind (50)
Skirtus posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Skirtus [ Th, Ah ]
Sheydog folds.
ClayBalla raises (300) to 300
philly13 folds.
Wusby14 folds.
hsagent folds.
TITLEIST_27 folds.
greedy_aces folds.

Skirtus?


Hand #2

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100/200 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14671271) - Mon Aug 08 22:37:04 EDT 2005
Table Table 12159 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: greedy_aces (730)
Seat 2: Skirtus (600)
Seat 3: Sheydog (1615)
Seat 5: ClayBalla (1435)
Seat 6: philly13 (905)
Seat 7: Wusby14 (960)
Seat 8: hsagent (1060)
Seat 9: TITLEIST_27 (695)
Sheydog posts small blind (50)
ClayBalla posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Skirtus [ Jd, As ]
philly13 folds.
Wusby14 folds.
hsagent calls (100)
TITLEIST_27 raises (695) to 695
TITLEIST_27 is all-In.
greedy_aces folds.

Skirtus??

Hand #3 - I find this level the most difficult to play when making a standard raise with a smallish stack size.

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50/100 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14671471) - Mon Aug 08 22:25:59 EDT 2005
Table Table 11995 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: garfield86 (535)
Seat 2: Skirtus (635)
Seat 3: em_ERIC_ (930)
Seat 4: volto24 (940)
Seat 5: WACKYCRACKY (310)
Seat 6: StickJ (825)
Seat 9: mag_01 (2695)
Seat 10: Joesizle (1130)
volto24 posts small blind (25)
WACKYCRACKY posts big blind (50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Skirtus [ 8d, 8c ]
StickJ folds.
mag_01 folds.
Joesizle folds.
garfield86 folds.
Skirtus raises (150) to 150
em_ERIC_ folds.
volto24 raises (915) to 940
volto24 is all-In.
WACKYCRACKY folds.
Skirtus ??

Hand #4 Im playing this hand but wonder what the best play is here. I really don't want to play against both stacks with 77.

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150/300 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14671216) - Mon Aug 08 22:34:58 EDT 2005
Table Table 11073 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: jonsluck (1270)
Seat 3: blanket555 (1860)
Seat 7: indygeo (1375)
Seat 8: ericwp (2670)
Seat 9: Skirtus (825)
MrFunbags posts small blind (75)
jonsluck posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Skirtus [ 7s, 7d ]
blanket555 folds.
indygeo folds.
ericwp calls (150)
Skirtus ??

[tigerite]

1. Fold or stop-and-go, I can see arguments for both.
2. Fold
3. Call
4. Push

[tshort]

Hand #1 -

***** Hand History for Game 2502370714 *****
100/200 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14671271) - Mon Aug 08 22:35:53 EDT 2005
Table Table 12159 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: greedy_aces (780)
Seat 2: Skirtus (750)
Seat 3: Sheydog (1715)
Seat 5: ClayBalla (1285)
Seat 6: philly13 (905)
Seat 7: Wusby14 (960)
Seat 8: hsagent (1060)
Seat 9: TITLEIST_27 (545)
greedy_aces posts small blind (50)
Skirtus posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Skirtus [ Th, Ah ]
Sheydog folds.
ClayBalla raises (300) to 300
philly13 folds.
Wusby14 folds.
hsagent folds.
TITLEIST_27 folds.
greedy_aces folds.

Skirtus?

This is somewhat read dependent. If he's been involved in a lot of hands then this might be a good time to try and double up. The obvious problem is you are probably dominated more than you will be dominating him. Other cases are toss-ups.

I would lay it down and try to pick some chips back up when you have FE.

Hand #2

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100/200 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14671271) - Mon Aug 08 22:37:04 EDT 2005
Table Table 12159 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: greedy_aces (730)
Seat 2: Skirtus (600)
Seat 3: Sheydog (1615)
Seat 5: ClayBalla (1435)
Seat 6: philly13 (905)
Seat 7: Wusby14 (960)
Seat 8: hsagent (1060)
Seat 9: TITLEIST_27 (695)
Sheydog posts small blind (50)
ClayBalla posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Skirtus [ Jd, As ]
philly13 folds.
Wusby14 folds.
hsagent calls (100)
TITLEIST_27 raises (695) to 695
TITLEIST_27 is all-In.
greedy_aces folds.

Skirtus??

I think you should call. You're unlikely to find a better chance to double up.

Hand #3 - I find this level the most difficult to play when making a standard raise with a smallish stack size.

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50/100 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14671471) - Mon Aug 08 22:25:59 EDT 2005
Table Table 11995 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: garfield86 (535)
Seat 2: Skirtus (635)
Seat 3: em_ERIC_ (930)
Seat 4: volto24 (940)
Seat 5: WACKYCRACKY (310)
Seat 6: StickJ (825)
Seat 9: mag_01 (2695)
Seat 10: Joesizle (1130)
volto24 posts small blind (25)
WACKYCRACKY posts big blind (50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Skirtus [ 8d, 8c ]
StickJ folds.
mag_01 folds.
Joesizle folds.
garfield86 folds.
Skirtus raises (150) to 150
em_ERIC_ folds.
volto24 raises (915) to 940
volto24 is all-In.
WACKYCRACKY folds.
Skirtus ??

If you intend to pick up the blinds, you should push. I think you should call here and rely on your post-flop play. Bet pot if flop is checked to you

Hand #4 Im playing this hand but wonder what the best play is here. I really don't want to play against both stacks with 77.

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150/300 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14671216) - Mon Aug 08 22:34:58 EDT 2005
Table Table 11073 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: jonsluck (1270)
Seat 3: blanket555 (1860)
Seat 7: indygeo (1375)
Seat 8: ericwp (2670)
Seat 9: Skirtus (825)
MrFunbags posts small blind (75)
jonsluck posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Skirtus [ 7s, 7d ]
blanket555 folds.
indygeo folds.
ericwp calls (150)
Skirtus ??

Easy push

[tigerite]

How's he going to play the flop on hand 3, it was pushed back to him, so he's going to be all-in. I would call and feel comfortable with my decision as I could've also pushed preflop anyway.

[tshort]

I would push it pre-flop. If I didn't push it, I would call and rely on my post-flop play. I think raising to 150 looks like a weak play and invites a push from a loose player.


Hand 1...
I like the stop-n-go, but I would lean towards folding on hand 1. The stop-n-go would be giving the other guy too good of odds to pass up with most hand he would raise with.

[tigerite]

But most people don't consider odds when they get to the flop as I've told you. It is hard to call a stop-and-go when you have ace high or something. Say he has AQ and the flop comes K 9 4. Pretty tough call that one. Anyway as I say it is a close one for me between fold and stop-and-go, but I believe both are way better than a push

[durron597]

[ QUOTE ]
1. Fold or stop-and-go, I can see arguments for both.
2. Fold
3. Call
4. Push

[/ QUOTE ]

This is exactly correct.

[skirtus]

I'm glad I posted. My decisions are worse than I thought.

Hand #1 - Fold
Hand #2 - Call. Without the limper is this still a fold?
Hand #3 - Fold. I think pushing this hand would have been better.
Hand #4 - Push. Got called by both BB and limper.

[Maulik]

#1 stop & go

#2 call, only 6 bb left, AJo is too strong to muck

#3 Volto probably saw this as a blind steal. I would have open pushed or limped in CO. I think limping is better than raising (can't raise 1/4 to steal 1/8 of your stack. Open pushing is best because you may very well be committed if pushed over the top from the CO. In early position I muck.

#4 push w/ 2bb left this isn't even close

comments appreciated on my #3

[tigerite]

If you call hand 2 then the limper will almost certainly call getting huge odds and now you have to win a pot three-handed with AJo, which simply doesn't happen very often, one will have you dominated, or at the very best, one of your outs (more than likely an ace) will be gone. Also, you're not in the blinds, so you have nothing committed to this hand. A call here violates everything about the gap concept.

Not to mention the blinds may decide to come along for the ride too, and one could still wake up with a hand, which has you utterly crushed, 6bb is fine for open pushing, but calling an EP limper and an all-in from a 7bb stack in MP? Nah, I'll pass, but thanks.

[EnderFFX]

[ QUOTE ]
If you call hand 2 then the limper will almost certainly call getting huge odds and now you have to win a pot three-handed with AJo, which simply doesn't happen very often, one will have you dominated, or at the very best, one of your outs (more than likely an ace) will be gone. Also, you're not in the blinds, so you have nothing committed to this hand. A call here violates everything about the gap concept.

Not to mention the blinds may decide to come along for the ride too, and one could still wake up with a hand, which has you utterly crushed, 6bb is fine for open pushing, but calling an EP limper and an all-in from a 7bb stack in MP? Nah, I'll pass, but thanks.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think I'm calling this, first of all you aren't giving enough credit to the stupidity of $10 players. Often times players limp in, and then fold to any sort of raise. Either way, the clock is running out. I'd rather make my stand here and take my chances of doubling up, or even tripling up to be in excellent position for the final push.

Yes the small blind and big blind could wake up, but with a push and a call they are going to have to be sitting on at least AK or JJ+ to decide to come into the hand.

Another factor, which isn't given, is how soon are the blinds moving to 150/300? If the next hand is 150/300 time just got even shorter.

Folding probably is the best move, odds are you are out of the tournament, but this may be the best chance to double up. Especially with so many people left in the tournament.

[tigerite]

The blinds are 50/100 so they wouldn't very likely shoot up to 150/300 after that

Also the 77 hand he has 5xbb not sure where this 2xbb has come from

[45suited]

1) Fold (not a fan of the stop-n-go here)
2) Fold
3) Call
4) Push

Hand 1, I don't think that you're desperate enough to have to try a stop-n-go. Plus, you have to give more respect to an EP raise. You don't want to go to war calling a large EP raise with AT.

[tigerite]

I dunno, he still has 6xbb after folding. The blinds are not 100/200 as people are thinking, it's 50/100 (look under the players, and also at the stacks the next hand). That's why I say I can see arguments for both. A read would be nice.

[EnderFFX]

[ QUOTE ]
The blinds are 50/100 so they wouldn't very likely shoot up to 150/300 after that

Also the 77 hand he has 5xbb not sure where this 2xbb has come from

[/ QUOTE ]

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[tigerite]

If it was 100/200 and he had 600.. then yeah.. I absolutely call with AJo, every time.

[junkmail3]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm glad I posted. My decisions are worse than I thought.

Hand #1 - Fold
Hand #2 - Call. Without the limper is this still a fold?
Hand #3 - Fold. I think pushing this hand would have been better.
Hand #4 - Push. Got called by both BB and limper.

[/ QUOTE ]

Eh, you hit 50%.

Hand 3, is a somewhat easy call. It looks like you're on a steal here, so, he could easily be on a resteal, but you have a hand. Only a higher PP has you dominated, otherwise you're in a coinflip with good pot odds (even though you'd still be a favorite)

I think hand 2 is a pretty bad call.

(I didn't fully read all of the replies, sorry if this is redundant.)