2+2 vs. 2+2 rebluff hand

[durron597]

Hero is a 2+2er that isn't me. Villian is colson10. Both colson and Hero know the other. Comments?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (9 handed) http://216.119.70.224/converter/hhconverter.pl

Hero (t14684)
SB (t9940)
BB (t22252)
UTG (t10340)
UTG+1 <font color="#A500AF">(colson10)</font> (t16515)
MP1 (t3548)
MP2 (t11803)
MP3 (t1335)
CO (t5470)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 <font color="#A500AF">(colson10)</font> calls t800, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1900</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+1 <font color="#A500AF">(colson10)</font> calls t1100.

Flop: (t5000) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
colson10 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t2800</font>, <font color="#CC3333">colson10 raises to t6800</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t12784</font>, colson10 folds.

Final Pot: t14600

[TomHimself]

why is hero raising so little preflop?

[mts]

i wish i could pull this off

[EverettKings]

meh....

You'd have to be VERY sure that he's bluffing to pull this one off. His pot odds are phenominal, and he'll keep going with most any piece of the board. I mean if you expect him to put a play on you, there are better ways to go about it.

I'd recommend to just muck this preflop instead of screwing around vs a potentially tricky 2+2er. There are easier fish to fry. If you insist on playing, I'd limp or make a bit bigger raise, say 2500 ish. You don't want to lay him fun odds to make a "what the hell" kind of call. That's bad when your hand is J8s.

On the flop I'd make a stronger initial stab (say 3500-4k) and let him have it if he still comes over the top of me. You don't want to give him more reasons to mess with you.

Basically you made a big complicated pot with a crap hand vs another good player. Every time you chose to proceed with this pot it was marginal at best. Pick better fights.

-Kings

P.S. Change "you" to "hero" since this wasnt your hand.

[durron597]

Hm. Hero informed me that in fact colson did not know it was a 2+2er. Does that change anything?

[colson10]

I missed this post. I had 33, and from the preflop and flop bets I was quite certain my opponent was weak. GH whoever it was. I can't remember if I was aware he was a 2p2er or not at the time of this hand, but I found out at some point.

colson10

[raptor517]

hero knows colson is a solid player, hero repping AK. colson = has to fold anything that doesnt beat AK. hero = pwnd colson. holla