Can Live 2/4 be beaten? ESPN doesn't seem to think so...

[Bigdaddydvo]

Apologies for this theme being on a similar thread not too long ago:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/poker/columns/story?id=2128589

[juanez]

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I was half-expecting to see someone eating Oreos like Teddy KGB.


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Now, that I haven't seen yet...it'll happen one of these days.

Last week I had a guy at a tourney table with a banana. He was pricking it and sniffing it like Johnny does with his orange. You know how a banana bruises when you dent it or whatever? After a few orbits, the thing looked totally gross, almost all black. He looked like such a fool.

[InkyWretch]

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Peter Newmann is the poker researcher at ESPN. If you have a good story to tell, he'd love to hear it.

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Poker researcher at ESPN.com!?! How the heck to you get that gig? And what do you do at it? Read Cardplayer and surf 2+2 forums all day?

[squeek12]

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Peter Newmann is the poker researcher at ESPN. If you have a good story to tell, he'd love to hear it.

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Poker researcher at ESPN.com!?! How the heck to you get that gig? And what do you do at it? Read Cardplayer and surf 2+2 forums all day?

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And it's pretty obvious that he knows very little about poker.

[whiskeytown]

some of the stuff he says is hilarious -

the guy with the shades and the guy who says he can spot your tells - at a 2/4 game - they're the biggest fools of them all - LOL

RB

[BPPoker]

I did not think this article was any good.
Sounded like one man's rant after losing money at a loose table(It IS 2/4!!) And it ends up on ESPN.com.
On top of that I feel like it could dissuade people from trying poker.

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He bet and I max raised him, trying to get him out of the pot. I had nothing but junk

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This line made me question whether or not this guy should even be writiing for ESPn on this subject. Who tries to raise bluff in 2/4?? Who?? And what does "max raise" mean if it's limit??
I've never heard of this guy and he probably knows more about poker than I do but...seems suspect.

[hotsauce615]

In one of the last hands I played, I got 5-6 suited in the hole. Small suited connectors is not a bad hand to play, just ask Doyle Brunson. I called the big blind.

What a loser, I've never seen his name on any tourney lists or anything. Why doesn't he win a real event and then start calling everyone at his 2/4 table a fish.

[Photoc]

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In one of the last hands I played, I got 5-6 suited in the hole .

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To the author: Where the F else are you going to get them? On the ground?

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In one of the last hands I played, I got 5-6 suited in the hole .

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To the author: Where the F else are you going to get them? On the ground?

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I laughed.

NT

[DDH]

Yeah, I want this guy at my poker table. There have been better posts written here, on the same subject, by better poker players. If you know what you're doing, and adjust your game to the table you're at, 2/4 can be beatable.

[MagicMan08]

I think it is a farely accurate representation of the 2/4 game tho. 3/6 is a slight step up

[Lawrence Ng]

If this article were written for comedic purposes, it would only be slightly funny.

The ironic thing is that almost every point that he mentions about why small stakes is not beatable is exactly the reason why small stakes like 2/4 games ARE beatable.

I'd send this "researcher" an email, but then I don't want to educate the fish.

Lawrence

[bernie]

my initial response to the article...

link (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=3087409&page=0&view=c ollapsed&sb=5&o=31&vc=1)

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[tripp0807]

"I consider myself a no-limit, tournament-style specialist "

Where? At the Party 100 Play Money Level?

"I think I'm addicted to poker. Actually, I'm just addicted to Texas Hold'em. I'll talk about it. Watch it. Read it. Play it. Teach it."

This is fantastic news for the rest of us.

-Tripp

[kiddj]

Here's a good quote from the movie, The Breakfast Club:

Brian Johnson: I'm a [censored] idiot because I can't make a lamp?
John Bender: No. You're a genius because you can't make a lamp.

[AKQJ10]

OK, i couldn't help myself. Submitted to their poker feedback (http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/mailbagESPN?event_id=7422):

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How can I get a writing gig like Peter Newmann's? I have to confess, though, that I understand poker to be about more than setting an opponent all-in every chance you get. (Not coincidentally, unlike Peter I'm beating the Foxwoods $2/4 pretty handily in a small sample of ~200 hours.) So while I'm not a poker expert by any means, knowing something about the game may make me overqualified.

Regards,

(my name)

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He's probably the one who answers mail, but oh well.

[steamboatin]

I sent one also.

[sfer]

ESPN should be embarrassed to have such shoddy journalism.

[PoorLawyer]

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I was half-expecting to see someone eating Oreos like Teddy KGB.


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Now, that I haven't seen yet...it'll happen one of these days.

Last week I had a guy at a tourney table with a banana. He was pricking it and sniffing it like Johnny does with his orange. You know how a banana bruises when you dent it or whatever? After a few orbits, the thing looked totally gross, almost all black. He looked like such a fool.

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i had a kid with an orange at the MGM a few weeks ago. nobody said anythign for a while and finally a new dealer came in and called him Johnny and I started cracking up and then it was open season on making fun of him the rest of the day

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ESPN should be embarrassed to have such shoddy journalism.

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All of ESPN's journalism is shoddy. SEE obsession with Yankees, NY; Red Sox, BOS.

[Justin Smith]

Dear 2+2'ers
I personally don't think we should attack this journalist for his poker article. He writes for a website, magazine, and television station that reaches millions. The fact is he is a journalist, not a poker player. So when he claims to be a " no-limit, tournament-style specialist " he is still a journalist who won a few act 1's at Foxwoods. He probably has worked for ESPN for awhile and when the poker craze hit he bought Super System first so he became the poker researcher at ESPN . So if he reaches thousands of people with his well written, poorly researched articles, I say let the fish swim. Right on up to the 5-10 table where its the same type of people with a little more money. Also, if he plays like he described he should as well.
I just hope nobody sent him e-mails trying to correct his game. I am a frequent visitor to Foxwoods and I hope that everybody who plays and thinks the way Peter Newmann does goes as well.

J Smith

[AKQJ10]

The probability that ESPN fixes their poker writing is not much more than the probability that they offer me a job as poker researcher (i.e. zero). So venting is slightly +EV just on the satisfaction it gives me.

But you're right -- people reading this and emulating him is a Good Thing.

[Tom1975]

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If you crack a game, even $2/$4, you should be up big. He had just broke even. The guy was full of it

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Another gem. He thinks because this one guy broke even that he can't be a winning player, as if being a good player means you have to be 'up big' every session.

[itsmarty]

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So if he reaches thousands of people with his well written, poorly researched articles, I say let the fish swim.

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I don't know his body of work, but this article was not well-written and it won't inspire the fish to swim. It read more like a cautionary tale intended to keep people away from casino play.

Martin

[Justin Smith]

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So if he reaches thousands of people with his well written, poorly researched articles, I say let the fish swim.

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I don't know his body of work, but this article was not well-written and it won't inspire the fish to swim. It read more like a cautionary tale intended to keep people away from casino play.

Martin

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I am not the smartest person so anything that has correct grammer use to me is well written. Also i think this article would make wanna-be players skip the 2-4 and go to 4-8, 5-10. In foxwoods there are 80 tables..... about 8 are 2-4.

I think his observations are pretty good - but he is clearly an inferior player.

Also - I think its funny that he picks on the sunglasses - I tend to wear sunglasses whenever I play poker - I don't neccesarily think its important at a 2-4 table, but its like a lucky charm - I feel more comfortable with my shades on.