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Kimpan
08-08-2005, 01:55 PM
52/16/1.1
I don't like my play at all
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (5 SB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.50 BB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 4.50 BB
Klepton
08-08-2005, 02:03 PM
bet the turn
fold to c/r
free showdown if not
baronzeus
08-08-2005, 02:04 PM
This is a must bet turn. These donks usually mean " I have a flush draw." with this board.
Kimpan
08-08-2005, 02:07 PM
I think they usually means I will raise your ass
atleast thats what it feels like
baronzeus
08-08-2005, 02:13 PM
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I think they usually means I will raise your ass
atleast thats what it feels like

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You are overthinking donk bets, IMO. Obviously if he raises the turn here you can fold but he wont do that often enough to worry about.
MisterKing
08-08-2005, 02:52 PM
Bet the turn so you can check behind safely on the river. Getting donkbet sucks, and you give frush and other draws a free look when you wuss out on the turn.
Kimpan
08-08-2005, 04:26 PM
would a fold on the flop be too weak?
MisterKing
08-08-2005, 04:33 PM
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would a fold on the flop be too weak?

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Hell yes it would. They've got draws here a ton of the time, and for all they know, we have Ax a ton of the time. For us to fold here would be for us to expose ourselves to a lot of stealing by a thinking opponent. We need to raise to punish draws, to see where we are, and to maintain the initiative. If we're 3-bet, we slow waaaay down (folding if we have no spades, and probably call + fold the turn UI when we do have spades).
Petro
08-08-2005, 04:36 PM
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would a fold on the flop be too weak?

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Yeah, esp. with the 10 of spades. People are going to notice and take shots at you if you give up this easily on the flop.
Kimpan
08-08-2005, 04:56 PM
if the flop were rainbow, u still raise?
TheMetetron
08-08-2005, 05:41 PM
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bet the turn
fold to c/r
free showdown if not

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TheMetetron
08-08-2005, 05:45 PM
Yes.