Win Rate

[nmt09]

What is an average win rate for someone playing NL Holdem Tournaments?

I know factors can vary but I'm wondering what kind of win rate would be considered good if I was to concentrate all my effort on tournaments....

[jmillerdls]

I can think of no way for anyone to answer this...more info please.

[nmt09]

More information?

All I'm asking is what win rate is considered good when playing no limit tournaments. I'm not surfe there is any information I could give you...

For example if I finished in the money [deep] every 8 tournaments is that good or would I be looking to finish in the money more often for it to be considered good?

Is this even how a tournament player would rate their play or would they go on earning vs spending?

Thanks

[Pat Southern]

I think its been said that in the tournaments with good structures a great player can expect up to a 500% ROI (so 6X his initial investment). I dont think that really can apply to online MTTs due to the quickly escalating blinds, but I'd guess a great play could expect an ROI between 200-300%.

[nmt09]

I expect this is over the long term as opposed to each tournament?

Sorry to be so dumb but I'm new to poker and I'm trying to get a handle on some of the things not often discussed in poker books.

[Maulik]

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I expect this is over the long term as opposed to each tournament?

Sorry to be so dumb but I'm new to poker and I'm trying to get a handle on some of the things not often discussed in poker books.

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I don't mean to be caustic, but this is OBVIOUSLY the long run. You should do lots of reading before you dive into MTT play or any other form of poker.

[Pat Southern]

Yes, that 200% ROI is over the long term, which is much longer than you think. There's so much variance in MTTs that you can go 100 MTTs without showing a profit, then one win gets you up to 100% ROI.

[nmt09]

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I don't mean to be caustic, but this is OBVIOUSLY the long run. You should do lots of reading before you dive into MTT play or any other form of poker.

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So far I've read Poker for Dummies and Harrington on Hold'em Vol I however none of these books [or many others from what I've seen] discuss things like ROI.

I was certain it was over the long term but felt it better to make sure I was on the same page.

[Maulik]

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I don't mean to be caustic, but this is OBVIOUSLY the long run. You should do lots of reading before you dive into MTT play or any other form of poker.

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Its very hard to quantify an expect winrate for MTT as a result of many many many variables. Pick up Tournament Poker for Advanced Players by Sklansky & Vol 2.

So far I've read Poker for Dummies and Harrington on Hold'em Vol I however none of these books [or many others from what I've seen] discuss things like ROI.

I was certain it was over the long term but felt it better to make sure I was on the same page.

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[nmt09]

That's exactly what I wanted to know Pat. I know in the B&M world some professional players can go months even a year without cashing and I just wondered how things where online.

I remember Doyle winning the WPT Legends of Poker and commenting how this would have been a dry year only for this that win.

[nmt09]

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Pick up Tournament Poker for Advanced Players by Sklansky & Vol 2

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Vol II is on the way :-) and I'll take a look for Sklansky - thanks.