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BigDave
08-08-2005, 11:13 AM
200/400 Blinds and I am the BB

Seat 1: BXBOB7 (2875)
Seat 4: MarMik24 (1390)
Seat 8: yodasworld (2855)
Seat 9: Hero (880)
yodasworld posts small blind (200)
Hero posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ah, 6c ]
BXBOB7 raises (800) to 800
MarMik24 raises (1390) to 1390
MarMik24 is all-In.
yodasworld folds.
Hero folds.

Almost half my chips are in the pot, but two guys are going to tangle. Is this a pretty standard fold?

tigerite
08-08-2005, 11:14 AM
Yes, and pray UTG beats him..

Maulik
08-08-2005, 11:16 AM
I don't think this is a standard fold. You are being laid 6:1 odds!

Call & hope to spike a # of 6s or hope that the min-raiser busts

tigerite
08-08-2005, 11:18 AM
But you have to beat both of them not to finish 4th here. How likely is that to happen with A6o, really? I am almost sure it's more +EV to let these two battle it out, and pray UTG wins.

45suited
08-08-2005, 11:21 AM
Calling here would be criminal. Other than getting a walk, this is the dream scenario for you.

RoyalLance
08-08-2005, 11:53 AM
This is just my opinion but I absolutely positively HATE folding when half my stack is in my blind. That such a play makes it very very very very very very very hard to comeback.

Let's say BXBOB7 folds to MarMik24, which is likely since BXBOB7 would still be in the hunt with about 2000, leaving everybody makes with at least 2000 chips and you with only enough chips to survive one round blinds. When you post your blind, your opponents would very likely call your last blind then check it down in hopes that you bust out.

By foldind a when half you stack is in pot already you only screw yourself over of getting in the money, let alone winning the whole thing. Had you pushed the other half of your stack in this hand at least you would have had a chance to at least double up your stack. It may be a slim chance it is you last real chance of making a comeback.

tigerite
08-08-2005, 11:56 AM
BXBOB7 folds, are you kidding me? Have you not seen the pot odds he would have? If he folds that he sucks at poker, period.

He will not fold. It's really that simple. He has a chance to knock the guy out, for 500 chips. Even if he loses, you're still way below him. What the heck are you on about? Sorry, but this post shows a total lack of understanding of the bubble and many key concepts. Also, if you call, you're pricing in UTG even more to call, and you still need to beat both of them not to finish 4th.

It's a 100%, cast iron, definite, FOLD. I can't make this more clear.

08-08-2005, 11:59 AM
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200/400 Blinds and I am the BB

Seat 1: BXBOB7 (2875)
Seat 4: MarMik24 (1390)
Seat 8: yodasworld (2855)
Seat 9: Hero (880)
yodasworld posts small blind (200)
Hero posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ah, 6c ]
BXBOB7 raises (800) to 800
MarMik24 raises (1390) to 1390
MarMik24 is all-In.
yodasworld folds.
Hero folds.

[/ QUOTE ]

Looks like the right play to me. BXBOB is getting over 4 to 1 on a call, and he's not in immediate danger if he loses, although it would hurt. But he's getting cheap odds to knock out a player. I fold here and expect Bob to call.

RoyalLance
08-08-2005, 12:51 PM
Maybe folding on the button is not a bad idea for bubble play, though the odds of you winning any money is very unlikely.

11t
08-08-2005, 12:59 PM
If you call here you are the worst player ever.

psyduck
08-08-2005, 02:30 PM
This is an easy fold. Now what about if your hand is something like QJs or a baby pair?

utmt40
08-08-2005, 02:40 PM
I like the fold here.

Ixnert
08-08-2005, 02:55 PM
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This is an easy fold. Now what about if your hand is something like QJs or a baby pair?

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It might be playing for third, but I think I need something better than QJs to get involved here. I think UTG is on a fairly wide range (top 30%?), his bet size seems like he was trying to get you HU, hoping for folds from the other two. Button I expect to actually be a decent hand (88+, AT+?) since he knew he wasn't getting a fold.

Given the chance of having button knocked out this hand, I'd want a hand I expected to be good a good majority of the time to get involved here, half my stack in the blind or not. TT+, AQ, AK maybe?

Or maybe I'm way too tight. It wouldn't be the first time.

tigerite
08-08-2005, 02:59 PM
To get involved here? I'd need an absolute monster. JJ+ at the least and I would seriously fold AK