2/4 AA with one opponent.

[ryanghall]

I dunno, this one probably isn't all that mind blowing but let's discuss.

Empire 400NL full ring. Villain (24/5/1.6) has $187, I have him covered.

I get A /images/graemlins/heart.gif A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif in EMP.

Folded to me and I raise to $16. Villain is the only caller in the SB.

Flop is T /images/graemlins/heart.gif T /images/graemlins/spade.gif 3 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

Villain checks, I check.

Turn is 5 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

Villain bets $30, I call.

River is K /images/graemlins/spade.gif

Villain checks. I bet $30

Like it?

I would have raised on flop and reraised on turn. Wouldn't want AA to crack

[fuzzbox]

Bet more on the river - how much is in the pot ?
90 ?

45 ? 60 ?

[fuzzbox]

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I would have raised on flop and reraised on turn. Wouldn't want AA to crack

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And how would that have helped you ? If our opponent had hit his T, then our goose would have been cooked.

[NYCNative]

Bet the flop, raise the turn, check down the river.

[fuzzbox]

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Bet the flop, raise the turn, check down the river.

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Really ?

yep thats what i would do

[ryanghall]

And what hand calls the flop that I beat? If I raise the turn I'm committed... he has a shortstack.

[ryanghall]

The reason I only bet 30 on the river is that he could have put me on AK. He hasn't shown much strength so I want to bait him into calling with a fairly weak hand.

Ryan

[fuzzbox]

True, but if I always bet weak when I want a call, then how do I ever bluff ?

I like half-2/rds pot, because Im happy to bluff with that amount too.

[ryanghall]

If I'm going to bet on the flop, I always just bet the pot, whether I have a hand or not.

Ryan

[NYCNative]

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And what hand calls the flop that I beat?

[/ QUOTE ]Lots of things - pocket pairs and even AK probably. If I have a PP here I am thinking this is a good flop for me and you could just have two overs.

[Ghazban]

Fine until the river where you need to bet more. Sometimes, you can overbet this and get somebody to talk himself into calling with Kx figuring you for a missed diamond draw (opening in LP could easily be a suited connector or suited ace). More often than not, though, 1/2-2/3 pot is best.

With your line, are you calling an all-in checkraise?

[ryanghall]

Once the King comes down, yes. Until then, no.

[Ghazban]

I hoped so /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[ryanghall]

He called, showed 99 and MHIG.

I think I got about the max out of him.

Ryan

[Ghazban]

I disagree; I think if he's calling 1/3 pot on the end, he's calling 1/2 pot.

[fuzzbox]

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I disagree; I think if he's calling 1/3 pot on the end, he's calling 1/2 pot.

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Im with Ghazban.

[fuzzbox]

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If I'm going to bet on the flop, I always just bet the pot, whether I have a hand or not.

Ryan

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I was referring to the river. I dont think I bluff the river by betting 1/3 very often. But I do bet half - 2/3rds on a bluff.

[ryanghall]

Are you joking?

What is he hoping that I have? AQ? I'm shocked he called anything.

[Ghazban]

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Are you joking?

What is he hoping that I have? AQ? I'm shocked he called anything.

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With 99 and that board, I'm fairly surprised he called as well but, given that he did, I think he would've called 1/2 pot just as often as he'd call 1/3 pot.

[swarm]

Your AA is still disguised, why wouldn't you 2/3rd the flop?

I use to pot bet all the time as well and it just isn't necessary and was a leak... not enough callers when you have a hand and it costs you too much if you bet straight and flush draws. People will lay down to a 2/3rd bet when they have nothing and wrongly chase really poor draws like a gutshot with an overcard. This strategy lets you continue bet out on losts of flops and keep your monsters disguised.

Many villans are going to call down with 99 on this flop and turn thinking their hand is good. Not unreasonable to put you on overcards right now.

2/3rd the flop, pot the turn, value bet the river if checked to... he's not checking a 10 to you here.

[IamLeach]

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2/3rd the flop, pot the turn, value bet the river if checked to... he's not checking a 10 to you here.

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If he calls a 2/3 pot and a pot bet on the turn and then Checks to you on the river...I think a check behind is called for.

How would hero (or anyone for that matter) have acted if villain had led the flop? Raise and see where you are, or call behind and try to control the pot size?

[TheWorstPlayer]

Looks standard to me. I like the flop check a lot.

[ryanghall]

If he leads the flop, I raise and evaluate from there.