i should fold here...

[joker122]

...but this is that 1 time in 10.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP folds, BB calls.

Turn: (4.20 BB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (6.20 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.20 BB

he shows A6 and MHIG.

am i being results oriented? is this a fold?

[nervous]

I call here, but it could be a leak of mine too.

[wackjob]

Not for me. Plenty of idiots at 5/10 are bluffing any obvious opportunity for a bluff, i.e. paired boards, flushed boards, straight filled boards.

[mdeck]

Agreed. Unless he's really passive I call here too, but then again I'm also trying to raise my WtSD...

[goofball]

You should not fold there.

[jba]

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Not for me. Plenty of idiots at 5/10 are bluffing any obvious opportunity for a bluff, i.e. paired boards, flushed boards, straight filled boards.

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[Guy McSucker]

I keep calling them and I keep losing them.

Posts like these keep me calling.

My stats for calling on the river look okay I think.

Guy.

[SteveGriff]

Yeah, I'd call this too - but is this my leak too? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Anyone got some maths handy?

Steve Griff

[Stack]

With this being party 5/10, no reads on the guy, and the pot being HU after the turn, I don't know why you would fold TPGK on the river for one more bet.

nh

[wheelz]

I think there's definitely times when you can fold here, but you need a read to do it. Against an unknown I can't fold this for one more bet

[colgin]

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With this being party 5/10, no reads on the guy, and the pot being HU after the turn, I don't know why you would fold TPGK on the river for one more bet , especially when an obvious scare card comes .

nh

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[colgin]

Look, lots of times you are paying off here. But I don't want to make this tough fold against an unknown when an obvious scare card comes on the river here. I have found that in the full ring games my top pair hand is almost never good when I get checkraised on the river. However, in the 6-max games while I am often paying off, I find that lots of players take shots with river check-raises that are either outright bluffs or are misguided value bets with worse hands.

[colgin]

I am curious as to what people think about villain's river check-raise here with a weak Ace.

I think he is calling anyway with top pair so is it worth the extra bet to try to get a better hand to fold knowing that it is an easy fold to a three-bet.

Even if Hero will never pay off with a worse hand like KQ the check-raise doesn't have to work very often for it to be profitable. If it gets a better ace to fold a little more than 12.5% of the time it is better than break-even. However, if Hero will pay off with hands like KQ or JJ then it seems like a really good play.


Thoughts?

Edit: I need to clarify what I mean by breakeven above. Assume that villain needs to call anyway with top pair here. If we look at those instances where he is behind in isolation then his EV is, of course, -1 BB when he calls. Again looking at those instances in isolation, if he checkraises and gets Hero to lay down his hand 12.5% of the time (I rounded down the pot by 0.2 for ease of calculations) then his EV is still -1 so it is breakeven in that sense. If Hero will fold the better hand more oftne than that then raising looks beter than calling. If Hero will pay off with worse hands then it looks better still.

[meow_meow]

I'm always surprised at the party 5-10 6max at the number of times I will raise pf with a big ace, ace on the flop, then get cr'ed on the turn by ace-rag.
It doesn't seem to occur to some players that a pf raiser's most likely holding is an ace with a better kicker.

[aslowjoe]

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It doesn't seem to occur to some players that a pf raiser's most likely holding is an ace with a better kicker.

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And that is what keeps us coming back everyday.

[colgin]

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I am curious as to what people think about villain's river check-raise here with a weak Ace.

I think he is calling anyway with top pair so is it worth the extra bet to try to get a better hand to fold knowing that it is an easy fold to a three-bet.

Even if Hero will never pay off with a worse hand like KQ the check-raise doesn't have to work very often for it to be profitable. If it gets a better ace to fold a little more than 12.5% of the time it is better than break-even. However, if Hero will pay off with hands like KQ or JJ then it seems like a really good play.


Thoughts?

Edit: I need to clarify what I mean by breakeven above. Assume that villain needs to call anyway with top pair here. If we look at those instances where he is behind in isolation then his EV is, of course, -1 BB when he calls. Again looking at those instances in isolation, if he checkraises and gets Hero to lay down his hand 12.5% of the time (I rounded down the pot by 0.2 for ease of calculations) then his EV is still -1 so it is breakeven in that sense. If Hero will fold the better hand more oftne than that then raising looks beter than calling. If Hero will pay off with worse hands then it looks better still.

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