Is this a dumb way to get knocked out? Please help. [Archive]

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Steve

08-08-2005, 03:04 AM

$33. Was this dumb to push here? I do this often against a min-raiser when I have an Ace, esp. if he has a bigger stack and is probably bullying me. If I just call I probably lose it all on the flop here anyway. Do I just fold PF? Thx.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP (t765)
CO (t980)
Button (t1765)
SB (t1565)
Hero (t655)
UTG (t2270)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
4 folds, SB raises to t100, Hero is All In, SB calls t555.

Flop: (t705) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)

Turn: (t705) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)

River: (t705) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: t705

Results in white below: 
SB has Ah Jc (two pair, aces and jacks).
Hero has Ad 7s (one pair, aces).
Outcome: SB wins t705.

acIdREIGN462

08-08-2005, 03:11 AM

Unless SB has been observed to be very passive I push this every time. I think you are just being results oriented and this was a good push

AcidReign

SammyKid11

08-08-2005, 03:12 AM

I very well might make this play here, given the right reads -- though without them, I wouldn't. You still have 12xBB, and A7 isn't exactly a monster. Biggest problem with this play is the reward isn't great enough to justify the risk -- you risk 12xBB to win 1.5xBB with a hand that is easily dominated and after a big stack put in a min-raise. Absent a specific read telling you this specific villain is a big bully, just fold it and wait for a better spot.

lastchance

08-08-2005, 03:14 AM

That's 3x BB, including initial raise.

t150? Hmm...

I don't think this is terrible, depending on who SB is, but I tend to give minraisers credit for hands, because they like limping, and minraise with hands better than limping ones.

SammyKid11

08-08-2005, 03:18 AM

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That's 3x BB, including initial raise.

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Duh. Of course you're right. I still don't love it.

Steve

08-08-2005, 03:21 AM

At what kicker would you start to like pushing here, maybe AT?

SammyKid11

08-08-2005, 03:25 AM

Again, absent a read-specific play...and maybe my push range is too tight when I'm still >10xBB...but I think AQ or better for a push. With AJ-A9, I call the raise and play the hand. Worse than that, I'm out here. Totally different if the blinds were 50/100 obviously. . .