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Surfbullet

08-08-2005, 02:00 AM

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG raises, 2 folds, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, SB calls, Hero raises, UTG calls, SB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, SB folds, Hero...?

I've got top pair, but I really want to fold?

Surf

wheelz

08-08-2005, 02:05 AM

I don't feel bad about folding this one. Even if you do have the best hand currently, which I don't think is very likely, there's a good chance you're dead by the river

Monty Cantsin

08-08-2005, 02:07 AM

Fold and sleep easy.

/mc

Klepton

08-08-2005, 02:12 AM

it seems reasonable, unless he's the type of cutie who c/r A /images/graemlins/spade.gif

i don't think villain is that cute

wackjob

08-08-2005, 02:36 AM

Why are you playing this hand? Do you have some read on UTG that hes raising crap hands first in? Do we expect UTG to NOT have a hand that beats K6s?

yanicehand

08-08-2005, 02:44 AM

I think the pf call is fine, you're getting great odds with a flexible,decent, and sneaky hand. You're not thinking you're certainly ahead preflop, you're thinking you'll get a return in the end enough times to make it worthwhile.

psyduck

08-08-2005, 03:50 AM

any reason why you check/raised instead of leading flop?

I think the turn is an easy fold.

Victor

08-08-2005, 03:56 AM

against a typical 1020 player there is no freakin way i fold here.

Jeff W

08-08-2005, 03:58 AM

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against a typical 1020 player there is no freakin way i fold here.

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Yeah, I'm not keen on a turn fold at all. This is a very likely spot for a free showdown and/or semi-bluff raise.

mscags

08-08-2005, 04:00 AM

I think this is a clear fold unless you have a great read that villian will try a play like this. Sure you've got TP, but 1) Flush just came in, 2) Straight draw just came in, 3) Your kicker sucks, 4) You could easily be behind to two pair, and 5) Even if you are ahead you don't have a spade so any river spade makes it even more difficult to call even if you are ahead. All of these makes this an easy fold IMHO.

Scags

Victor

08-08-2005, 04:15 AM

i make this play very often with hands that are worse than top pair and i am proly considered nitty. 1020 is just super aggro. often enough players fold to 3bets after raising the turn (they were cold bluffing). semibluffing, especially on the turn, is super common.

psyduck

08-08-2005, 04:46 AM

Yeah okay, I think anyone who hasn't played the party 10/20 (me included) should butt out, since we have no idea how common semi-bluffs are or how aggressive the game is..

joker122

08-08-2005, 04:52 AM

i think this is an easy fold.

TheMetetron

08-08-2005, 04:57 AM

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i think this is an easy fold.

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I think it's a very close call. It's pretty opponent dependent and I can go either way on this one.

jdock99

08-08-2005, 05:14 AM

I am not sure K6s is a very good hand against an UTG raise for the reasons delicately illustrated in your post. Although hot/cold it may be good enough, it is a very difficult hand to play out of position against an aggressive preflop raiser, and is in trouble against many preflop raising hands such as AK, KQ, KJ, K10, K9, etc. Unless you have a good raise I am not sure I would want to play this against an UTG raise, if it was a button or SB raise, that is a different story altogether.

If you were to play the hand, this might be one of those situations where against an aggressive player who will bet anyways you might want to just check/call it down or donk the flop, so he will raise and hopefully push out small blind, and then check/call it down.

Michael Davis

08-08-2005, 06:07 AM

I just call on the flop.

-Michael

ALL1N

08-08-2005, 06:26 AM

Eh?? Why's that?

Michael Davis

08-08-2005, 06:33 AM

Because I like donkbetting the scariest turn cards and checkraising the safe ones. The checkraise is tough but it still has value, and it's going to be easy to fold to a threebet, a lot easier than folding to a raise. However, the major issue is how often the turn will be bet.

-Michael

Surfbullet

08-08-2005, 10:37 AM

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG raises, 2 folds, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, SB calls, Hero raises, UTG calls, SB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, SB folds, Hero calls.

River: (10 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero...?

Surf

08-08-2005, 10:40 AM

don't you basically have to check-call?

wheelz

08-08-2005, 10:42 AM

Bet/fold is the best line I think, but that does involve folding trip kings for one more bet...