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technologic
08-08-2005, 01:42 AM
3/6 NL party full ring

villain 31/13 over only two orbits or so, opens to 20 in the UTG+2. i call with KJh in the bb.

flop 6h 8h 2h
hero checks, villain checks.

turn 3d
hero bets 35, villain raises to 125, hero calls.

river 5d
hero checks...

i think i played bad on pretty much every street.

thabadguy
08-08-2005, 01:45 AM
bet ze flop! ze germans are coming..bet ze flop!!
I dont know why i just did that, but yea..bet the flop, dont want a fourth heart falling for free

AZK
08-08-2005, 01:49 AM
agreed.

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Big_Jim
08-08-2005, 03:15 AM
Stack sizes?

Bet the flop. Bet the turn. If he raises, 3 bet.

technologic
08-09-2005, 01:51 AM
villain starts with 585, hero covers

but yea. oops.

so i should 3-bet the turn here every time provided i check the flop?

turnipmonster
08-09-2005, 01:35 PM
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i think i played bad on pretty much every street.

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I agree, I don't understand why you wouldn't want to get the money in here. what hands are you worried about, and how likely are those hands?

Leptyne
08-09-2005, 02:13 PM
Sure you'd like to get the money in there, but what kind of flop bet do you think he calls? I think it just as likely that you'll get more money in there if you can help him make his set or straight. I don't see any money going in with TPTK. I don't have a problem with playing the second nut flopped flush passive like this. He's either got his straight, Q /images/graemlins/heart.gif flush or will fire the second barrel of his bluff to your river check. Ok, so put me down as the minority report.

Big_Jim
08-09-2005, 06:14 PM
I think that given the flop check, the flat call is fine on the turn. Villian is unlikely to be drawing live, as he would have bet anything that was on the flop.

As for the river, I would probably lead, as I'm not really sure he's going to bet it for you. If he has the flush, he'll at least call, and maybe raise. With the straight, he probably calls. Of course, if he is bluffing. you lose anything he would have bluffed the river with.

AdamBragar
08-09-2005, 07:29 PM
If you don't reraise the turn, you could lead the pot on the river.

ObnxNole
08-09-2005, 07:33 PM
By raising the turn you may as well turn your cards face up. My guess is that he had a couple of overs with the Ace of hearts. Bet the flop to disguise your hand and see where it takes you from there.

technologic
08-09-2005, 08:26 PM
i wasn't worried about any hand, i was worried that a flop lead would appear way too strong for someone who i viewed to be a bit laggy.

technologic
08-09-2005, 08:27 PM
i felt there was a good chance villain was bluffing, and i wanted to call to allow him to take the lead again

Big_Jim
08-10-2005, 06:56 PM
You think a LAG villian is checking behind on the flop and then raising the turn with the nut flush draw? Weird.

Go_Blue88
08-10-2005, 09:38 PM
i rarely post here, but wtf?

Allinlife
08-10-2005, 10:44 PM
I think your goal with these kind of hands is to get it in all you can vs second best hands, and check-calling isn't the way to do it