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Malachii

08-08-2005, 01:24 AM

I have four hands that I want to post, but I didn't want to spam the boards.

Two of the posts are problems that I've run into trying into trying this (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=3078446&page=2&view=c ollapsed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1). Whether or not the concept has value is debatable... As I see it, the benefits are that you usually earn a nice small pot and you get more action on your good hands when you wake up with something nice in late position. The problems are many: It creates a big pot with a marginal holding. I'm not sure if this qualifies as a leak or not, but either way I lost a lot of money trying it today and would appreciate some feed back.

The other two are two pair hands. The problem I have with two pair is that it's a strong hand, but not a super strong hand that I feel comfortable pushing with if someone has the audacity to checkraise me.

Malachii

08-08-2005, 01:25 AM

Villain is kind of a loose donk. I hate how I played this, Anways, as mentioned, I was trying to pick the pot up without a flop. I'm not sure if this is a good idea or not, I really bloated the pot where I had a shitty hand.

Comments on the line are appreciated. I really need to be cussed out for this one, it was just retarded.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP3 ($20.45)
CO ($17.35)
Hero ($23.15)
SB ($6.95)
BB ($16.60)
UTG ($27.90)
UTG+1 ($9.15)
MP1 ($3.95)
MP2 ($43.40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, UTG+1 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls $1.75.

Flop: ($4.85) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $3.5, CO calls $3.50.

Turn: ($11.85) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $7.5, CO raises to $11.85, Hero calls $4.35.

River: ($35.55) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: $35.55

Malachii

08-08-2005, 01:26 AM

No reads on Villain. Comments are appreciated, especially on the river bluff.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+1 ($41.20)
MP1 ($11)
MP2 ($119.65)
Hero ($59.95)
Button ($72.25)
SB ($50.60)
BB ($14.75)
UTG ($81.45)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif. MP1 posts a blind of $0.50.
2 folds, MP1 (poster) checks, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2, Button calls $2, 2 folds, MP1 folds.

Flop: ($5.25) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2.5, Button calls $2.50.

Turn: ($10.25) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($10.25) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $5

Malachii

08-08-2005, 01:27 AM

Top Two Gets Checkraised

SB isn't really a laydown artist, but isn't a donk either. His checkraising into two people here isn ot a bluff, he's got something good. What's my play here?
Keep in mind that I've been smooth called twice by the Button and at this point have no idea as to what he has except that he probably has at least an ace.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO ($47.95)
Button ($24.10)
SB ($52.50)
Hero ($62)
UTG ($35.80)
UTG+1 ($46)
MP1 ($56.05)
MP2 ($49.50)
MP3 ($21.85)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
6 folds, Button calls $0.50, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1.50) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.5, Button calls $1.50, SB calls $1.50.

Turn: ($6) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5, Button calls $5, SB raises to $15, Hero...

Malachii

08-08-2005, 01:28 AM

Two pair gets into trouble

I played a lot of pots with this dude, but as of this hand I have no real read on his him, so I don't want to post what I know now... Comments on my line are appreciated. Should I have pushed the turn/been more aggressive?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO ($47.20)
Button ($18.40)
SB ($80.45)
Hero ($54.50)
UTG ($36.70)
UTG+1 ($43.25)
MP1 ($21.75)
MP2 ($49.25)
MP3 ($17.25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif.
7 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, SB calls $1.

Turn: ($3) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB raises to $12, Hero calls $9.

River: ($27) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets $6, Hero calls $6.

Final Pot: $39

Allinlife

08-08-2005, 01:40 AM

firstly, I think these 'name' threads could soon clutter up the whole boards, every poster with their own little threads...I don't really want to think about it.

anyways the first concept you are talking about seems to be essential, espeically in 6 max games..raise enough to get it HU, pick it up pf, or take it down with continuation bet.

in regard to kind pf hand you faced with JTo hand, all I will say is to check the turn to control down the size of the pot.

Bet the river if checked to and call if he bets. by playing this way, it not only makes it easier to play (keeping the pot small with mediocre hand) you will often induce worse hands that would have folded to turn bet to call you on river since you showed weakness on turn, missed draws to bluff @ you, and you can lose the least to better hands this way. another pro to checking the turn with mediocre hand is that it covers up for the time you make a continuation bet-get called, check turn behind, you cover for the times you bluff river with showdown-valueless hands in position.

I try to isolate people with all pocket pair, KTs+, 78s+, but if your opponents(table) are loose, it's just waste of money to try isolating people with sub-standard hands...you will just create 3~4 way pot which you can only play in straight-forward manner (betting with goods, but no bluffs).

imported_anacardo

08-08-2005, 01:48 AM

Hand one - I don't hate the preflop raise at all. I do hate the turn bet and the turn call.

Hand two I like; you represent the J /images/graemlins/diamond.gif well. Turn even looks like a failed checkraise to a thinking player.

Hand three: Fold turn to raise.

Hand four: Fold turn to raise even faster.

Junky two pairs are pretty much rags vs. a raise, particularly a check-raise, unless your opponents are a special kind of bad.

Allinlife

08-08-2005, 01:49 AM

H1) check turn and everything is easy..more so because board is drawless..

H2) looks ok

H3)I'd call him down...too probable SB caught some weird 2 pair type hand while reading you for Ax

H4) turn looks fine. River screams give me cheap showdown, I am scared of 4 card straight. I often raise here with any 2

imported_anacardo

08-08-2005, 01:52 AM

I think you're doing a good job of talking yourself into some lousy calls, dude.

wtfsvi

08-08-2005, 02:00 AM

Check behind on the turn. What does the bet accomplish? Once he raises, you can't fold with them odds given to you of course. That's just crazy talk.

wtfsvi

08-08-2005, 02:03 AM

Why such a small flop bet? Bet $4 or don't bet at all I think. River bluff seems fine.

imported_anacardo

08-08-2005, 02:12 AM

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Check behind on the turn. What does the bet accomplish? Once he raises, you can't fold with them odds given to you of course. That's just crazy talk.

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Okay, so I don't hate the turn call. But I do hate the turn bet.

Malachii

08-08-2005, 05:06 PM

Hand 1.) Villain had KJo my hand is no good. I agree betting the turn was bad, as soon as I was done with the hand I was like "I should have checked behind on the turn."

Hand 2.) Villain called and showed A3o, and my hand is no good. Buddy list material! I think wtfsvi has a good point, I need to be betting more on this flop. I think I also need to raise more preflop, like 10x the BB + 1 BB for every limper.

Hand 3.) I folded. The checkraiser in question had A4o as well, and the other player had A5 /images/graemlins/spade.gif for top pair, a gutshot, and the nut flush draw. Interesting that he played it so passively. Anyways, the river blanked on him and the A4o guy took it down. I'm not sure if I should've called that or not... Being sandwiched between two live players was a bad situation, but since the guy's out of the SB it makes it more likely he had some raggedy two pair instead of a set.

Hand 4.) Villain had limped in with AA from the SB, and caught runner runner straight to beat me. Happens.

Thanks to Anacardo, Allinlife, and Wtfsvi for sharing your thoughts with me.