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Wevie
08-07-2005, 02:19 PM
Late play has actually been 50% push/fold and 50% checked down to river(why, I don't know - I wasn't involved in any of the check fests).

#Game No : 2493729810
***** Hand History for Game 2493729810 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:14626959 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Sunday, August 07, 13:59:37 EDT 2005
Table Table 39777 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: Boomer_1956 ( $935 )
Seat 8: rynkshermy ( $1880 )
Seat 10: tshinkle ( $1845 )
Seat 9: HERO ( $1395 )
Seat 7: barmannyc ( $1945 )
Trny:14626959 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 3s 3h ]
tshinkle folds.
Boomer_1956 is all-In [935]
barmannyc folds.
rynkshermy folds.
tshinkle: ak

HERO??

My gut says fold. Chances are, however, that I'm up against Ax or Kxs. That's what I've been seeing lately. My problem is, though, that Ax and Kxs both probably have kickers above 3. So, I'm thinking this is no more than a coin flip, right?
EricW
08-07-2005, 02:23 PM
With 13BB left, calling here would be terrible. Let this one go.
Wevie
08-07-2005, 02:30 PM
At what point would calling be right? If HERO were less than 10 BB? Less than 6 BB?

What about VILLAIN? If he were VERY short stacked?
45suited
08-07-2005, 02:30 PM
Calling here would be a donkey play.

Thinking about calling would be a donkey play.

Easy fold.
EricW
08-07-2005, 02:32 PM
[ QUOTE ]
At what point would calling be right? If HERO were less than 10 BB? Less than 6 BB?

What about VILLAIN? If he were VERY short stacked?

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Well if he had 100 chips and you had 2200, calling here would be +EV /images/graemlins/cool.gif
TheSalche
08-07-2005, 02:42 PM
[ QUOTE ]
At what point would calling be right? If HERO were less than 10 BB? Less than 6 BB?

What about VILLAIN? If he were VERY short stacked?

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No time is right for Hero to call here unless he has a much larger stack and can take a chance on gambling ... it takes a stronger hand to call than to raise, and with 13 BBs left you will find a much better hand to get your chips in on.
Wevie
08-07-2005, 02:48 PM
OK, next question - how low of a PP would you call with?

99?
88?
tigerite
08-07-2005, 05:41 PM
JJ+, probably. If I thought the villain was very loose, or a donk or something, I might lower it to TT. But probably not.
11t
08-07-2005, 05:45 PM
Calling here is awful. You have very few to no hands dominated. Villain has 9xbb and is not extremely desperate. At best (normally) you are a marginal favorite or you are extremely far behind. A call here violates the Gap Concept pretty terribly.

Easy fold.
11t
08-07-2005, 05:48 PM
This all depends on the range that villain is pushing. Versus the average opponent I would like TT+ here.

I would call with AK but probably fold AQ.
08-07-2005, 05:55 PM
what is the gap concept anyway?

ps: sorry to hijack the thread
nate_king1
08-07-2005, 05:56 PM
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Calling here would be a donkey play.

Thinking about calling would be a donkey play.

Easy fold.

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I think 33s are good for an all-in bet. At best your 50/50 do you really want to gamble for ITM?
tigerite
08-07-2005, 05:57 PM
He wouldn't even be ITM if he wins, only on the bubble

The gap concept is in TPFAP, basically you need a better hand to call a raise with than to raise first-in, but there's a bit more to it than that.