Newbie Bank Roll Questions

[HouseCalls]

What is the appropriate bankroll and the appropriate amount to buy in for in 3-6 texas hold'em?

[Sciolist]

If you can beat the game, you'll need 300x the big bet ($1800) in your bankroll. What you sit down with isn't important, as long as it can cover capping each street at all times:

2x big bets preflop
2x on flop
4x on turn
4x on river

Therefore you need to have at least $72 in front of you when you start a hand.

I agree with the above poster. I don't remember if I read it, or if I just dreamed it up myself, but I usually try to sit down with 30x BB. So $180 at a 3-6 table.

[srm80]

so if you are playing at 2 tables at once, wouldn't you need to meet double the bakroll requirements? i mean, if the risk is double wouldn't you need double the bankroll?

[Doc7]

reward is also double. same bankroll. 300BBs is just to keep you from busting due to variance (and godawful variance at that)

[pzhon]

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so if you are playing at 2 tables at once, wouldn't you need to meet double the bakroll requirements?

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No. The bankroll requirements don't increase. Playing two tables doesn't give you larger swings. It gives you the same swings twice as quickly. It is like playing sessions that are twice as long.

[nervous]

Has anyone ever gone 12 bets on a hand? In all my day's I don't think I have.

[baumer]

The rooms I used to play limit in had a rule that when the pot was heads-up, there was no cap and you could re-raise back and forth until someone was all-in. I don't know how universal that rule is though.

I've gone over 12 bets on a hand if that rule is included.

This was great when playing people who didn't know what "the nuts" meant.

[Sciolist]

Do play money games count? :]

[Quicksilvre]

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The rooms I used to play limit in had a rule that when the pot was heads-up, there was no cap and you could re-raise back and forth until someone was all-in. I don't know how universal that rule is though.

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That's pretty standard. When there are three or more players, then usually only three or four raises are allowed (depending on the cardroom).

[Onaflag]

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The rooms I used to play limit in had a rule that when the pot was heads-up, there was no cap and you could re-raise back and forth until someone was all-in. I don't know how universal that rule is though.


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Its a fairly common rule where I have played in the past. FWIW, everytime I've seen crazy betting on the end where one or the other has offered to continue to the felt, they both have had the same hands.

That aside, I have seen pots capped every street. Not very often, but it does happen. You really need to consider what kind of image you are trying to project when you sit down at the table. In short, the $180 buyin at 3/6 does little more than either a) project a gambling image or, b) project a serious player image.

a) is good, b) is bad. However, you won't keep image a) very long by folding a lot which is what most of us do, so what's the point? Now it looks like you've been winning more than your fair share when in reality, you bought those chips. Either way, consider your image.

Another thing to consider is how many chips are there on the table. Most people buyin for less than the optimal $72 "capped every street" amount. If "they" can't cap every street when you'd like them to, what's the point?

I always buyin for a rack of $100 (@ 3/6, $200 @ 6/12). It sends out no red flags one way or the other what kind of player I am. Even buying a full rack gets some people looking at you like, "whoa, you gonna be here all night?"

I don't want to stand out in any way. I understand the desire to get $180 or even 2 full racks, but I think it does more harm than good. That's just me. Reload if/when necessary.

Onaflag..........

[KneeCo]

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What you sit down with isn't important, as long as it can cover capping each street at all times:

2x big bets preflop
2x on flop
4x on turn
4x on river

Therefore you need to have at least $72 in front of you when you start a hand.

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Great advice, I always thought more emphasis should be put on this point in certain books. I scratch my head when I see people not reload with only 4 BBs in front of them, and then reload when they lose it.

[Onaflag]

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Great advice, I always thought more emphasis should be put on this point in certain books. I scratch my head when I see people not reload with only 4 BBs in front of them, and then reload when they lose it.

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You would have been scrating your head seeing me a few nights ago. I took an absolutely horrendous beat (KQs vs A3s on a 3 s board) and lost a significant amount of chips on the hand. It left me with about 3BB.

I refused to reload. People who know me kept signaling to reload and shooting puzzled looks at me. I was quite obviously bummed by what had just happened. My theory at the time was that I could not get myself in any tilt trouble with 3BB.

I played super tight for an hour, almost refusing to partake in this game called poker, happy to exist and paying the blinds. I won a few hands here and there and then reloaded after I knew the beat had passed completely through my egosystem.

Onaflag...........

[pzhon]

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Great advice, I always thought more emphasis should be put on this point in certain books. I scratch my head when I see people not reload with only 4 BBs in front of them, and then reload when they lose it.

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People keep posting the advice to make sure you can bet the maximum. This is WRONG. See this thread (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=3029808&page=&view=&sb=5& o=&fpart=all&vc=1) about Barry Greenstein's advice that it is often right to buy in short in limit games.

[cracker9521]

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Has anyone ever gone 12 bets on a hand? In all my day's I don't think I have.

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I won a huge pot that went 11 bets multiway when my KTs hit the nut straight on the flop. There was a flush draw, set of queens and set of aces and the aces didnt cap the river with me. It was when I first started playing at the casino and that hand made me overvalue KT and may have cost me money in the long run.

[meow_meow]

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Has anyone ever gone 12 bets on a hand? In all my day's I don't think I have.

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Haha.
I have, probably about a year ago, but I remember the details perfectly, the only thing I'm sketchy on is the limit, though I think it was 2-4:
I have AA in the BB, folded to button who raises, sb folds, I 3-bet, button caps.
flop: A22 I bet, it gets capped HU.
turn: inconsequential card, capped
river: ditto, capped.
A light goes on as I put in the final bet.

[Doc7]

if you don't go 12 bets with aces full, what are you going to go 12 with?

[benneh]

a friend of mine went nearly all in (i believe it was 20 bets, deep stacks) when he hit a straight flush vs the ace high flush. the guy with the "nuts" was confused as hell and eventually just called, while my friend put on a good acting show.

[UATrewqaz]

I don't think I've ever gone 12 but I've done 10 or so many times.

[mudbuddha]

funny considering i've seen u bet... then call when raise when u hold the nuts.. and they answered they had the nuts too
hahah jokeee

[ggbman]

You might check out this thread here. (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=3154225&page=0&view=c ollapsed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1)