Wynn or Mirage -- Where Should I Play?

[BarronVangorToth]

In a few months I'll be heading to Vegas on my way back from a convention in California....

Normally I stay at the Mirage and predominantly play there.

With the Wynn open now, will I be wanting to play there more?

I'm trying to figure out where to book my room, and it's solely going to be based on where I will end up playing most of the time.

I play limit far more often than no limit, but it's hard to say what stakes I'll be playing as it could be anything from $6-$12 to $40-$80, depending on how much I'm drinking. Knowing me in Vegas, I'll be doing some of that, so the more I do, the lower the stakes I'll be playing to stay profitable.

So, the question, for you locals (or people who have been out there in the last six months), where do you play more often? Why? Why not?

Any and all help is appreciated!

Barron Vangor Toth
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[trying2learn]

this question has been debated in quite a few threads recently here...i prefer the mirage still, but i'm a local and i know the rooms at Wynn are freaking amazing...that may be your best bet.

i don't think there's a big difference between the two.

[PokerBob]

I was there in June. I stayed at the Wynn. I played at the Bellagio. In the future, I will be staying at Bellagio, and it's not close.

[CanIPlay]

As am I, trying to decide between these two. I will have my son and younger brother who have only played on the internet. I have been many times and actually like Bellagio but do not want to put up with the wait time.

[thirddan]

i prefer the wynn for a couple reasons...

1. hotter cocktail waitresses
2. they use a single chip denomination in all the games i've seen, while the mirage uses $5 and $1 dollar chips in some games (this is comparing the mirage 6/12 and wynn 8/16)
3. wynn has comfy chairs and it seems like more room surrounding the tables
4. the strawberry julius is slightly better at the wynn

i dont know anything about either hotels rooms...

[BarronVangorToth]

For whatever reason, I don't like the Bellagio.

I probably will end up staying and playing at the Wynn the next trip if only to give it a go.

Does anyone have any bad Wynn experience from staying at the hotel OR from the room that isn't covered in some recent thread?

Thanks for the help thusfar, fellas.

Barron Vangor Toth
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[CanIPlay]

PokerBob; Please elaborate.

[BarronVangorToth]

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I was there in June. I stayed at the Wynn. I played at the Bellagio. In the future, I will be staying at Bellagio, and it's not close.

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Was this due to some negative Wynn-experience? or just because you really dug Bellagio?

Barron Vangor Toth
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[PokerBob]

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I was there in June. I stayed at the Wynn. I played at the Bellagio. In the future, I will be staying at Bellagio, and it's not close.

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Was this due to some negative Wynn-experience? or just because you really dug Bellagio?

Barron Vangor Toth
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I arrived at the Wynn on a Friday evening. The game selection was sparse (I was looking for 15/30). I did get in a game, but it was BAD. The 15 games at the Bellagio were amazingly easy. Also, on Saturday morning around 11am, they didn't even have enough people to get a 15 game going. When I hopped in a cab and went to Bellagio, there were several going. Obviously I have a small sample size, but my limited experience is that the games in the Bellagio are much better. The Wynn rooms and poker room are nice, but I prefer to stay in the hotel where I'll be playing, thus I'll stay at Bellagio. I hope this makes sense.

[BarronVangorToth]

No, it does, as I prefer to stay in the hotel where I will be playing as well.

Still not sure why I dislike Bellagio - the rooms are great but the poker room I haven't dug yet.

Hence why I always seem to default to the Mirage, as the rooms are at least decent and I do enjoy the poker room there.

I might end up just staying there and poking over to the Wynn a time or two to check it out.

Any other new anecdotes out there that aren't covered in recent threads?

Barron Vangor Toth
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[TheMetetron]

The Wynn kicks ass... stay there over Mirage every day of the week. The Bellagio, as Bob said, just has better selection. But the Wynn room and staff is much, much nicer.

I think half the reason the $15/30's were so bad was that it was usually 40-50% 2+2ers.

[ononimo]

I'm in the same camp as PokerBob -- stayed at the Wynn but played the minimum req'd hrs there and played the rest at Bellagio. while I prefer the physical room AND staff AND waitresses at the Wynn, the games at the Bellagio are SO much better that I'll be going back to the Bellagio after my recent stay at the Wynn.

I play 15 & 30 HE and the game selection at the Bellagio is beyond comparison - weak competition (often at least 2 complete fish per table, if not more) and several tables to choose from even at off-peak hours. The staff and drink service leave much to be desired but overall Bellagio is +EV

[BarronVangorToth]

Thanks for the additional help, fellas, if anything this thread has put me off the desire to spend any real time at the Wynn (although I will give it a go for a session or two) and, perhaps, I'll get over my anti-Bellagio (mind you, I have absolutely no reason to dislike it there, other than some vague ... I don't know what) attitude as well.

But I sense I'm staying at the Mirage with at least a trip to the Wynn and maybe a lot of trips to Bellagio.

Invariably it will come down to how tired I am after my convention and how much I just feel like spending the week drinking it up and therefore just playing some low stakes $6-$12 or $10-$20 where drinking is +EV as everyone thinks it effects your game, not knowing the s3cr3t t3ch (of which there is none).

Moving along... and thanks again!

Barron Vangor Toth
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[renodoc]

matzo ball soup and corned beef at 0200 can't be beat

[Lurkmaster Flex]

I played the wynn a few days last week, stayed at a free room at the flamingo though. Games I was in (8-16) sucked. Total tagfests, im gonna try mirage or mgm next trip.

[Mason Malmuth]

Hi Barron:

They are close enough that you can walk from one to the other. So I wouldn't make your decisions just on poker.

Best wishes,
Mason

[kyleb]

The Wynn has the best buffet in Vegas, and comps are easy to get. Free milkshakes in the rooms, and I've always destroyed the NLHE cash games and the 10-20 half-kill Omaha 8/b limit game there.

The Wynn is hands-down the best place to play/stay in Vegas, IMO.

I stayed and played at the Mirage last month. I really liked the poker room - though it had less to do with the actual room than with its location. The Wynn room is in a hallway, somewhat removed from the main casino floor - and if you need a bathroom, you have to go out and around the corner.

At the Mirage, on one side is a bathroom, right next to the poker room - and on the other side are tables and a bar - so if you want a break, you can step out to the table and relax, while remaining close to the action.

The room at the Wynn looked fantastic though.

Part of the issue, I am sure, is that the Wynn is so new - I would say give it a year and re-assess. But personally, I found nothing to complain about at the Mirage as far as the card room...

...the hotel room, on the other hand...I had one major complaint - and that is that the doors slam really loud - and so when you are trying to get your few hours of Zs, it can be really disruptive. However, the rooms there are generally MUCH cheaper - so if that is a factor and you bring some earplugs, then go for it.

I think the rooms at the Wynn are MUCH nice than the Bellagio.

[BarronVangorToth]

I don't know, Mason, leaving a poker room late at night I'd have to see if anyone is out there playing the let's-mug-the-6'7"-tourist game ... so that would be one more thing to be worried about drunkenly* staggering back to my room.

Barron Vangor Toth
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*hopes that laying all this drinking groundwork pays off dividends when random 2+2'ers are against me and insist on calling me down with Ace high.

[Jeffage]

That area of the strip is very safe and it's like an 8 minute walk between the two. I've done it a number of times...don't think you have any worries.

Jeff

[La Brujita]

I just got back from Vegas and would vote Bellagio. It was much easier to get into a middle limit game there. I only went to Wynn once but the 30 was the highest he game being spread, we played four handed, and it took an hour to get into any game (they started up the 30 after the hour wait).

[goofball]

The mean cocktail waittress at the Wynn in my estimation is about an 8. I've never seen one lower than 6.

By comparison the numbers at the Bellagio are probably 6 and 3.5 respectively, while at the Mirage they are 4 and 1.

[bugstud]

wynn, because it runs plo

seriously

[MarkL444]

stay at the wynn i say, its nice. play at all the rooms. getting outside and walking around will be very beneficial

[Jorge10]

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wynn, because it runs plo

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Listen to the man and play in the PLO in the wynn, keep it alive!

[BottlesOf]

PBob is right, it's not close and it's so the Wynn.

[BottlesOf]

I dislike the Bellagio room too:

Games: No better than Wynn IMO.

Chairs: God awful and without wheels

Lists: Longer than Wynn, and not computerized. They don't even have boards just clipboards, so you can't track where you are.

[bugstud]

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I dislike the Bellagio room too:

Games: No better than Wynn IMO.

Chairs: God awful and without wheels

Lists: Longer than Wynn, and not computerized. They don't even have boards just clipboards, so you can't track where you are.

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the mid limit at the B is sooooooo much better

[RydenStoompala]

This has been causing a huge amount of debate. Having to pick Wynn or Bellagio is a problem I would prefer to have more often than three or four times per year. I like Wynn: it's the tatoo on the blonde girl's back that really counts.

[Stellastarr]

what about the new MGM room? How does that compare with Wynn and Bellagio?

[Barry]

FWIW

I have normally stayed at the Bellagio. For my trip in May I decided to stay at the Mirage as it is close to the Wynn (and the Wynn was booked). For my last trip in August I went back to the Bellagio.

Reasons:

1. I like the rooms at the Bellagio much better. On the side of the Mirage the poker rate is much better. I don't remember exactly, but it was something like $25 less during the week and more than that during the weekend.

2. The service levels at the Bellagio are much better.

3. The 15 games at the Wynn weren't great and the 40 game was awful.

4. The games at the Bellagio are usually very good and if you find yourself in a bad game, there is usually a better game just a table or 2 away and that is true almost most of the time.

5. The big dig on the Bellagio is the wait times and there is a lot of truth in that, but you can always get chummy with the brushes.

6. The Mirage games are fine, but they never seemed to get the 20 game going until the afternoon. I suppose that part of that could be due to the time of year (August) that I was last there.