is this tilted

[conslice]

ok i called a raise with some connectors because both these guys are A class maniacs. the one guy with the bigger stack already ran A6 suited agains tmy QQ and won wich is why i could just be on tilt, anyway i called because of the players in the pot and implied odds that are unreal with deep stacks. i miss the flop basicly completly and to my surprise there is a quarter pot bet to me so i figure ill call and see if i can make anythign with a turn river or maybe just bet and they will fold but for such a small bet in a pot that stil has serious potential to go crazy i call. turn gives me inside straight i think about betting it when its cheked to me but decide not to then the river is obvious what to do since im pretty sure bigger stack will call all in no matter what hes got

***** Hand History for Game 2488354543 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, August 06, 15:20:21 EDT 2005
Table Table 36849 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: MrKWM ( $121.85 )
Seat 3: xuyvam ( $380.10 )
Seat 7: fabes111 ( $105.90 )
Seat 9: PLAYNOW815 ( $109.75 )
Seat 2: conslice ( $205.20 )
Seat 5: Aufidius ( $286.85 )
Seat 10: EMAN77 ( $22.35 )
Seat 4: wolverine64 ( $79.20 )
Seat 6: lasserun ( $112.95 )
Seat 8: stillbrook ( $100 )
xuyvam posts small blind [$0.50].
wolverine64 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to conslice [ 8c 7c ]
Aufidius folds.
>You have options at Table 36575 Table!.
lasserun folds.
fabes111 calls [$1].
PLAYNOW815 calls [$1].
EMAN77 calls [$1].
MrKWM folds.
conslice calls [$1].
xuyvam calls [$0.50].
>You have options at Table 37077 Table!.
wolverine64 raises [$4].
fabes111 folds.
PLAYNOW815 calls [$4].
EMAN77 folds.
conslice calls [$4].
xuyvam calls [$4].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, 5h, 2s ]
xuyvam checks.
wolverine64 bets [$5].
PLAYNOW815 folds.
conslice calls [$5].
>You have options at Table 37102 Table!.
xuyvam calls [$5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4s ]
xuyvam checks.
>You have options at Table 37077 Table!.
wolverine64 checks.
>You have options at Table 36575 Table!.
conslice checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 6d ]
xuyvam bets [$15].
>You have options at Table 36575 Table!.
wolverine64 is all-In [$69.20]
>You have options at Table 36575 Table!.
>You have options at Table 37102 Table!.
conslice is all-In [$195.20]
fabes111: no
>You have options at Table 37077 Table!.
xuyvam calls [$180.20].
xuyvam shows [ 2d, 3d ] a straight, two to six.
wolverine64 doesn't show [ Ah, Ad ] a pair of aces.
conslice shows [ 8c, 7c ] a straight, four to eight.
conslice wins $252 from side pot #1 with a straight, four to eight.
conslice wins $241.60 from the main pot with a straight, four to eight.

[yvesaint]

Fold the flop, there's no clubs on the board, and your straight only comes with runner runner.

Everything else is fine, although the pre-flop call is marginal.

Use the hand converter next time too. This thing is hell to read.

[rikz]

Preflop call for $1 was OK, and then calling the $4 raise from the BB seems OK give that it is multi-way with deep stacks, you have position on the pre-flop raiser, and it is unlikely that xuyvam will reraise as last to act behind you. So far so good.

The question is whether that flop is worth a $5 call.

Assuming you knew the villains' cards, and you knew that you would stack them if you hit by the river, and you knew that they would both check the turn, is this a +EV play?

cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad Ah 640 70.87 263 29.13 0 0.00 0.709
3d 2d 204 22.59 699 77.41 0 0.00 0.226
8c 7c 59 6.53 844 93.47 0 0.00 0.065

.709 * (-$5) + .226 (-$5) + .065 ($488.6) =
-$3.55 + -$1.13 + $31.76 = $27.08.

So, assuming you knew all this, then you'd be making an average of $27 per hand if you played it the same all day every day from the flop on.

However, you are chasing that flop and you DON'T know that they will check through on the turn. How on earth wolverine64 can bet $5 into a $20+ pot after raising preflop from the BB is beyond me. That makes no sense. However, you can't even beat an unimproved Ax. So, a more disciplined approach would be to fold to the villain's weak flop bet. You might want to bluff at wolverine64 with nothing if you were heads up, but that would be bad with one player left to act behind you. Plus, as you found out, you would not have bluffed him off his AA. So, I think a fold would have been better in order to avoid having to fold to a more reasonalbe turn bet from either the BB or the guy behind you.

As it went down, they were playing this horribly. Much worse than anything you did by calling the $5 continuation bet from the BB, and they deserved everything you did to them on the river.

nh

Edit: Oh, and you were not on tilt here. Tilt would have been pushing on the turn instead of checking behind, or reraising a large amount on the flop to bluff wolverine64 off his weak continuation bet.