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DyessMan89
08-05-2005, 05:53 PM
Reads: None that were real strong, but Nik has limped with a lot of hands. More than most players at the table.

7 players, blinds 7/15.

Game #790748373: Texas Hold'em No Limit (7/15) - 2005/08/05 - 22:39:04 (UK)
Table "STT1 902375 - 1" Seat 4 is the button.
Seat 1: Masester (985 in chips)
Seat 3: caliman (810 in chips)
Seat 4: Monty23 (940 in chips)
Seat 5: MrVegas (4535 in chips)
Seat 8: Niknaknoo (865 in chips)
Seat 9: Psycom (895 in chips)
Seat 10: Fatcow (970 in chips)
MrVegas: posts small blind 7
Niknaknoo: posts big blind 15
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Monty23 [Jd Kc]
Psycom: calls 15
Fatcow: folds
Masester: folds
caliman: folds
Monty23: calls 15
MrVegas: folds
Niknaknoo: checks
----- FLOP ----- [5d Kh Kd]
Niknaknoo: checks
Psycom: bets 150
Monty23: calls 150
Niknaknoo: raises to 850 and is all-in
Psycom: raises to 880 and is all-in
Monty23: calls 730

Now, there was a similar thread on this before, and Im going against my own advise, but I felt this scenario was different. I felt that the UTG was overplaying a lower King, although SB was still a mystery. Any comments?

Freudian
08-05-2005, 06:02 PM
I'd fold this, aware that my hand may be the best one. Two people who like their hand enough to go-all in on a flop like this seems too risky.

What buy-in is this? If this is a $10+1 and I think both are donks I might talk myself into calling.

DyessMan89
08-05-2005, 06:05 PM
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I'd fold this, aware that my hand may be the best one. Two people who like their hand enough to go-all in on a flop like this seems too risky.

What buy-in is this? If this is a $10+1 and I think both are donks I might talk myself into calling.

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It is a $10+1. I only had the one small read, though.

jgunnip
08-05-2005, 06:21 PM
At the 11s call. If pocket fives are out oh well you've got three maybe four outs. if there's a KQ or K5 oh well, AK would have raised preflop.

Oh, I fold preflop.

Freudian
08-05-2005, 06:27 PM
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At the 11s call. If pocket fives are out oh well you've got three maybe four outs. if there's a KQ or K5 oh well, AK would have raised preflop.

Oh, I fold preflop.

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This board is as scary as they get. That doesn't prevent two players from getting all their chips in. For Hero to be ahead one of them has to have K+worse kicker than J and the other one would have to have a nut flushdraw. The limp-donk might have AA also. There is no other realistic option where hero is ahead.

The chance that one of them has AK, KQ, K5 or 55 has to be pretty high given the action on the flop.

Even poor players aren't completely retarded. Their actions has to make some kind of sense to them.

Against one other player all-in this is an autocall of course.

lastchance
08-05-2005, 06:55 PM
I really like raising the flop from LP. Calling and seeing a turn isn't the worse thing in the world, but I doubt you're going to scare UTG off with a raise to t300 or so (planning to get all your chips in on the turn of course).

DyessMan89
08-05-2005, 09:25 PM
I was debating a fold pre-flop, but I think KJo on the button would be a weak-tight fold, given that the UTG plays too many hands.

Edit- Ill post the results later.

nWirb
08-05-2005, 11:43 PM
I'd fold preflop, it's not even soooooted ;/

Nottom
08-05-2005, 11:48 PM
I'd call, I think the most likely situation is that you are up against a bad K from the blind and a flush draw.

I'd also probably just go ahead and raise the intial flop bet.

Nottom
08-05-2005, 11:50 PM
Hey, I'm all about trying to fold trips and I think folding here would be terrible.