proell
08-05-2005, 01:35 PM
In the hope of getting a better "feel" for bubble situations (and just as an interesting nerdy poker project) I am working on a call/push matrix for the "average" player, starting with the 10's as the base and making adjustments for each subsequent level to the 50's.
What I am trying to come up with is a push and call range for each combination of contextual elements (ie: players, position, stack size, etc...)
In doing so I need to consider which elements would be required to make such a determination, and that each piece I add makes the matrix grow exponentially, so there is a tradeoff between simplicity and accuracy (if I used 100 elements to help determine the range I could be very accurate but my matrix would be prohibitively large, though if I used 2 or 3 it would be manageable but the results would be worthless).
So, here is what I came up with as a starting point. Let me know what you think is missing, too much, and even which elements hold the most weight in the decision.
# Players (left in tournament)
# Players Behind (left to act)
Chipstack (relative to BB)
Chipstatus (relative to other players)
Tightness (loose, avg, tight) -- based on call %
Push Position (if someone pushed, where did it come from)
Do you think this is enough to guess a decent call/push range?
For example, say we have an average tight player on the bubble (4 players), in the BB (0 left to act) with 10xBB and average chipstatus. The push cam from the SB... What do they call with here? If the push came from UTG what do they call with?
for now I am not worrying about other people in the pot as it is not as frequent of an occurrence. If I find this to be useful then maybe I'll do it for those cases as well.
Curious to hear thoughts on whether you think I will be able to make a useful determination based on a small enough set of criteria, as well as what those criteria need to be.
once I get the matrix together I will post a few situations and see if people can agree on a push/call range for that context.
What I am trying to come up with is a push and call range for each combination of contextual elements (ie: players, position, stack size, etc...)
In doing so I need to consider which elements would be required to make such a determination, and that each piece I add makes the matrix grow exponentially, so there is a tradeoff between simplicity and accuracy (if I used 100 elements to help determine the range I could be very accurate but my matrix would be prohibitively large, though if I used 2 or 3 it would be manageable but the results would be worthless).
So, here is what I came up with as a starting point. Let me know what you think is missing, too much, and even which elements hold the most weight in the decision.
# Players (left in tournament)
# Players Behind (left to act)
Chipstack (relative to BB)
Chipstatus (relative to other players)
Tightness (loose, avg, tight) -- based on call %
Push Position (if someone pushed, where did it come from)
Do you think this is enough to guess a decent call/push range?
For example, say we have an average tight player on the bubble (4 players), in the BB (0 left to act) with 10xBB and average chipstatus. The push cam from the SB... What do they call with here? If the push came from UTG what do they call with?
for now I am not worrying about other people in the pot as it is not as frequent of an occurrence. If I find this to be useful then maybe I'll do it for those cases as well.
Curious to hear thoughts on whether you think I will be able to make a useful determination based on a small enough set of criteria, as well as what those criteria need to be.
once I get the matrix together I will post a few situations and see if people can agree on a push/call range for that context.