$11's Good pushes ? (4 hands)

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

Here are 4 hands from 3 games last night. Good pushes or not? (converter not working, sorry)

Hand 1
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: GandH258 (1055)
Seat 2: SI617176 (1785)
Seat 3: HERO (800)
Seat 6: chadburnett7 (400)
Seat 9: wcaines (1680)
Seat 10: FindingNemo2 (2280)
wcaines posts small blind (50)
FindingNemo2 posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Ac, 2c ]
GandH258 folds.
SI617176 folds.
HERO raises (800) to 800 (ALL-IN)
chadburnett7 calls (400)
chadburnett7 is all-In.
wcaines folds.
FindingNemo2 calls (700)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9h, Qh, Kh ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6d ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Qs ]

Hand 2
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: Franey10 (1665)
Seat 3: HERO (650)
Seat 4: jimniko (1670)
Seat 5: SmileyEsq (3190)
Seat 9: floppy9111 (825)
Dr_Jeckyl_00 posts small blind (50)
jimniko posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Tc, Qh ]
SmileyEsq folds.
floppy9111 calls (100)
Franey10 folds.
HERO raises (600) to 650 (ALL-IN)
jimniko folds.
floppy9111 calls (550)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Js, Kd, 8s ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 3c ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Jh ]

Hand 3
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: tcraig3 (1730)
Seat 2: BourbonRat (1675)
Seat 3: HERO (1090)
Seat 4: MrDeerslayer (1480)
Seat 7: Coach24polo (1175)
Seat 10: sideshow420 (850)
MrDeerslayer posts small blind (75)
Coach24polo posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Ah, 2s ]
sideshow420 folds.
tcraig3 folds.
BourbonRat folds.
HERO raises (1090) to 1090 (ALL-IN)

Hand 4
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: tcraig3 (1610)
Seat 2: BourbonRat (1750)
Seat 3: HERO (1315)
Seat 4: MrDeerslayer (1405)
Seat 7: Coach24polo (145)
Seat 10: sideshow420 (1775)
BourbonRat posts small blind (75)
HERO posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 8h, Ah ]
MrDeerslayer folds.
Coach24polo folds.
sideshow420 folds.
tcraig3 folds.
BourbonRat calls (75)
HERO (1165) to 1315 (ALL-IN)
BourbonRat calls (1165)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4s, 4c, 8d ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2h ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 7s ]

I personally wouldn't have played any of those hands all in, especially in a situation where you are not yet ITM (especially considering there's 6 players left in some of those hands), I would have possibly called on a couple of them . But hey, I've been playing 5 weeks, what do I know!

[tigerite]

1 is really borderline. I lean towards folding that. 2 seems a bit FPS and a bit read-dependent on floppy as well. 3 is also very very borderline, and 4 I would say is fairly standard, unless the SB has been aggressive previously, and just completing is somewhat different from the norm.

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

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1 is really borderline. I lean towards folding that. 2 seems a bit FPS and a bit read-dependent on floppy as well. 3 is also very very borderline, and 4 I would say is fairly standard, unless the SB has been aggressive previously, and just completing is somewhat different from the norm.

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What is FPS?

[tigerite]

Fancy Play Syndrome.

[xLukex]

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1 is really borderline. I lean towards folding that. 2 seems a bit FPS and a bit read-dependent on floppy as well. 3 is also very very borderline, and 4 I would say is fairly standard, unless the SB has been aggressive previously, and just completing is somewhat different from the norm.

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What is FPS?

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Fancy play syndrome.

[tigerite]

Which, I guess it isn't too bad, but I don't think you need to do this at the $10s. The problem is they will call with A-rag too much (or if it's a strong player, he's limping for 1/8th his stack with a pretty good hand, which you're likely to be behind, often here). I would only do this if he's been really loose, but also really weak to raises of any kind, and I thought he would lay it down.

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

so pushing from BB with a limper is not recommended play? It generally has worked well for me (when I have a few more chips)

[tigerite]

You were the SB. From the BB I like it more, but it's still read-dependent, and he also limped from quite an early position. Usually means more strength.

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

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...The problem is they will call with A-rag too much ...

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As I recall that is exactly what he had

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

yeah, I have not been very successfull pushing from SB when someone else has limped. win some, but might be losing more that I win in this situation...

[tigerite]

I also find this move works best when your opponent has chips to spare, but not TOO many, say for example 12-13BB and has limped. When it's a loose or tight player (unless he's very weak-tight or weak-loose), putting in so much of their stack, they feel "committed" and will call too much to make it an +EV move. Even when they have a bigger stack though, it still depends if they're basically a moron, but when your stack is around half theirs and the limp isn't much, they do tend to lay down more. From my experience.

[45suited]

1) hate it

2) hate it

3) borderline, but I wouldn't do it (I'm guessing that
many players would though)

4) standard

[GtrHtr]

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1) hate it

2) hate it

3) borderline, but I wouldn't do it (I'm guessing that
many players would though)

4) standard

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I agree.

[DMACM]

Whats so bad about hand 1? Hes suited and he still has fold equity for the time being but not much longer. I would bet that on a tight calling range this would be +ev. Is the small stack being loose the problem?

oops I thought he was on the button

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

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1) hate it
2) hate it
3) borderline, but I wouldn't do it (I'm guessing that
many players would though)
4) standard

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So what do you specifically hate? The position, the cards???
my guess is hand 1 bad position from CO, Hand 2 bad cards w/ a limper, hand 3 you don't like the 2 kicker... is that correct? (by the way I won w/ hand 3, but I suspected that it still may have been a bad play which is why it is included)

[danger_mouse]

I agree that hand #2 is pretty weak. But all other hands (with the possible exception of #1 because of the short stack) seem like +ev FE situations.

Could someone school me here?

[jon462]

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1) hate it

2) hate it

3) borderline, but I wouldn't do it (I'm guessing that
many players would though)

4) standard

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[rydazzle]

1 is marginal but understandable
2 is very bad b/c of the call from floppy
3 is a bit better than 1 but still marginal
4 is correct