The worst city in America with a major sports franchise...

[CallMeIshmael]

Is anything even close to Buffalo?

[jason_t]

Secaucus, NJ.

[maxpower72]

I would agree with buffalo, and give an honorable mention to Cincinatti.

[Vince Young]

San Antonio, Dallas and Houston are all horrible.

[MoreWineII]

I'd have never said this five years ago, but Portland.

[jason_t]

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I'd have never said this five years ago, but Portland.

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Portland, Oregon? Are you insane?

[protocol]

I gotta defend Buffalo here.
I would say Detroit and St. Louis are worse.

[Crveballin]

Philly.. God I hate Philly

[Patrick del Poker Grande]

Worst in what regard?

Detroit sucks ass, but I'm also not a big fan of Phoenix or New Orleans. I haven't been to Buffalo or Suckasack (sp?) New Jersey.

[Brian]

Memphis, TN?

-Brian

[PorscheNGuns]

[censored] You

[CallMeIshmael]

[ QUOTE ]
Worst in what regard?

[/ QUOTE ]

Basically the place you would least like to live.


(I had to go to Buffalo today, and I was just venting /images/graemlins/blush.gif)

[Patrick del Poker Grande]

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Worst in what regard?

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Basically the place you would least like to live.


(I had to go to Buffalo today, and I was just venting /images/graemlins/blush.gif)

[/ QUOTE ]
Oh, well in that case, I'd say from worst to... slightly less worst:

New Orleans
Detroit
Phoenix

[TheMainEvent]

[ QUOTE ]
[censored] You

[/ QUOTE ]

Yup that's Philly

[CallMeIshmael]

[ QUOTE ]
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[censored] You

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Yup that's Philly

[/ QUOTE ]

POTD

[TheMainEvent]

[ QUOTE ]
Oh, well in that case, I'd say from worst to... slightly less worst:

New Orleans
Detroit
Phoenix

[/ QUOTE ]

The worst areas of those cities are worse than anything in Buffalo, but they're also big enough to have at least something good going for them. OP is right, Buffalo is awful.

[hoopsie44]

Yes. Oakland.

[mblax10]

It appears most of you have never been to Detroit.

[RacersEdge]

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Worst in what regard?

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Basically the place you would least like to live.


(I had to go to Buffalo today, and I was just venting /images/graemlins/blush.gif)

[/ QUOTE ]
Oh, well in that case, I'd say from worst to... slightly less worst:

New Orleans
Detroit
Phoenix

[/ QUOTE ]

NO and Detroit I get, but why Phoenix?

[Patrick del Poker Grande]

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Worst in what regard?

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Basically the place you would least like to live.


(I had to go to Buffalo today, and I was just venting /images/graemlins/blush.gif)

[/ QUOTE ]
Oh, well in that case, I'd say from worst to... slightly less worst:

New Orleans
Detroit
Phoenix

[/ QUOTE ]

NO and Detroit I get, but why Phoenix?

[/ QUOTE ]
It's a [censored] desert. You can't set foot outside from May through about September and it's nothing but brown, brown, brown, and more brown and nothing but xeriscaped yards.

[gunt]

columbus, OH = blue jackets
san antonio
kansas city
charlotte

[Eurotrash]

[ QUOTE ]
Is anything even close to Buffalo?

[/ QUOTE ]


damn, dude. *I* wanted to reply with Buffalo

[jacki]

How could this thread be this long with no mention of Sacramento?

[touchfaith]

Los Angeles

[poker-penguin]

Hamilton Ontario - Home of the CFL Tigercats
Winnipeg Manitoba - Home of the CFL Blue Bombers
Regnia (or Saskatoon, who cares), Saskatchewan - Home of the CFL Roughriders

These cites are all hovels. They are also competitors for the worst pro sports team names in North America.

[CallMeIshmael]

The worst city in America with a major sports franchise...

[jason_t]

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The worst city in America with a major sports franchise...

[/ QUOTE ]

Your Canadian brethren on this board constatly demonstrate complete and utter stupidity.

[CallMeIshmael]

[ QUOTE ]
Your Canadian brethren on this board constatly demonstrate complete and utter stupidity.

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linky for you (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/11/2/183703.shtml)

[moondogg]

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Your Canadian brethren on this board constatly demonstrate complete and utter stupidity.

[/ QUOTE ]


linky for you (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/11/2/183703.shtml)

[/ QUOTE ]

Doesn't Canadia still worship a queen or something silly like that?

[Patrick del Poker Grande]

[ QUOTE ]
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Your Canadian brethren on this board constatly demonstrate complete and utter stupidity.

[/ QUOTE ]


linky for you (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/11/2/183703.shtml)

[/ QUOTE ]
You're right. New York is pretty stupid.

[CallMeIshmael]

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Doesn't Canadia still worship a queen or something silly like that?

[/ QUOTE ]


If by "worship" you mean a "figurehead authority with absolutely no power" then yes, you are correct.

[Vince Young]

Canadia still figurehead authority with absolutely no power a queen? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[shadow29]

[ QUOTE ]
charlotte

[/ QUOTE ]

is that a jopke?

[Colonel Kataffy]

Green Bay /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[2+2 wannabe]

[ QUOTE ]
Hamilton Ontario - Home of the CFL Tigercats
Winnipeg Manitoba - Home of the CFL Blue Bombers
Regnia (or Saskatoon, who cares), Saskatchewan - Home of the CFL Roughriders

These cites are all hovels. They are also competitors for the worst pro sports team names in North America.

[/ QUOTE ]

saskatoon is definitely not a hovel - regina on the other hand

[imported_anacardo]

This argument should begin and end with Jacksonville, FL.

[jason_t]

[ QUOTE ]
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Your Canadian brethren on this board constatly demonstrate complete and utter stupidity.

[/ QUOTE ]


linky for you (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/11/2/183703.shtml)

[/ QUOTE ]

My brethren

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/jason_t712/mybrethren.jpg

[itsmesteve]

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columbus, OH = blue jackets

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he said MAJOR SPORTS

[Nottom]

No one has mentioned Salt Lake City yet.

[BigBaitsim (milo)]

Baltimore, MD. Most of the franchises have bolted, one even snuck out in the dark of night.

Sure, Camden Yards is a great stadium, but Baltimore is still an armpit.

[chesspain]

The few times I've been to Philadelphia left me wanting a handgun and a shower.

[tbach24]

Canadia

[A_C_Slater]

It can't be Detroit because we have two poker rooms now. I can't imagine there's much to do in Green Bay, Wisconsin.

[jacki]

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It can't be Detroit because we have two poker rooms now. I can't imagine there's much to do in Green Bay, Wisconsin.

[/ QUOTE ]

I used to live in Green Bay. Other than the 8-10 weekends a year when there's a Packer game, that town blows.

[fsuplayer]

[ QUOTE ]
This argument should begin and end with Jacksonville, FL.

[/ QUOTE ]

you're an idiot. ever even been there?

I mean, its not the hippest place, but its a pretty damn nice place to live.

[Turkish]

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This argument should begin and end with Jacksonville, FL.

[/ QUOTE ]

you're an idiot. ever even been there?

I mean, its not the hippest place, but its a pretty damn
nice place to live.

[/ QUOTE ]

Easy killer...Menstruating early this month?? /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[Mason Hellmuth]

I am surprised (and pleased) that no one has mentioned Pittsburgh.

Then again, that's probably because most people don't know it exists.

[joeski19]

Not to mention the Pistons & Redwings. Sure the Lions and Tigers suck, but Philly is the suckest bunch of sucks that ever sucked so they Win.

[MrFeelNothin]

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No one has mentioned Salt Lake City yet.

[/ QUOTE ]


Salt Lake City is fuckn beautiful.

[CallMeIshmael]

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Your Canadian brethren on this board constatly demonstrate complete and utter stupidity.

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linky for you (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/11/2/183703.shtml)

[/ QUOTE ]

My brethren

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/jason_t712/mybrethren.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

Linky for you (http://edition.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/08/recall.main.intl/)

[Jim Kuhn]

How about Memphis? The weather seems horrible, crime rate is high and seemingly not much going on. The small bright sides would be Graceland and being very close to Tunica.

Thank you,

Jim Kuhn
Catfish4u
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[tdarko]

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San Antonio, Dallas and Houston are all horrible.

[/ QUOTE ]
san antonio maybe, houston you are wrong and dallas you aren't even in the viscinity of correct.

[coopersmydog]

Milwakuee, or however you spell it. I'm drunk.

[Homer]

[ QUOTE ]
I gotta defend Buffalo here.
I would say Detroit and St. Louis are worse.

[/ QUOTE ]

Detroit and St. Louis are great sports towns.

[Talk2BigSteve]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
San Antonio, Dallas and Houston are all horrible.

[/ QUOTE ]
san antonio maybe, houston you are wrong and dallas you aren't even in the viscinity of correct.

[/ QUOTE ]

I can't believe someone said "Dallas" sure the sports have seen better days there but the city is great.

Big Steve /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[ChipWrecked]

San Antonio > Dallas

[meep_42]

Washington, DC
Phoenix, AZ

-d

[tdarko]

[ QUOTE ]
San Antonio > Dallas

[/ QUOTE ]
you are out of your mind, half the people in san antonio are illegal for one and i could go on for days...

[jason_t]

[ QUOTE ]
How about Memphis? The weather seems horrible, crime rate is high and seemingly not much going on. The small bright sides would be Graceland and being very close to Tunica.

Thank you,

Jim Kuhn
Catfish4u
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[/ QUOTE ]

Memphis is one of my most favorite cities in America. Great blues clubs and BBQ joints, the people are really friendly and the girls have charming southern accents. It's too humid in the summer, I'll grant that.

[DCIAce]

Oakland, and it's ridiculous to say Sacramento. Sacramento isn't a great place, but Oakland is a cesspool.

[ChipWrecked]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
San Antonio > Dallas

[/ QUOTE ]
you are out of your mind, half the people in san antonio are illegal for one and i could go on for days...

[/ QUOTE ]

wtf?

Dude, I live in California. I don't even notice crap like that.

I can understand why Steve digs Dallas. Almost all of the fun places there are gay.

Just check the 'city search' sites. Dallas blows.

[ibankonu]

"Detroit is the best sports town in America. It blows away New York, Chicago, Boston and Philadelphia."
- Espn.com (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=whitlock/050711)


As for being a shitty sports city, there are only a handful of cities that have the 4 major sports, with Detroit being one of them. The Red Wings, Pistons, and Tigers all have multiple championships, and i'm pretty sure we haven't had a major pro team leave Detroit in quite some time.

[ibankonu]

As for worst city, Salt Lake City has to be up there.

[tdarko]

[ QUOTE ]
wtf?

Dude, I live in California. I don't even notice crap like that.

I can understand why Steve digs Dallas. Almost all of the fun places there are gay.

Just check the 'city search' sites. Dallas blows.

[/ QUOTE ]
dude, you need to learn to only speak when you know what you are talking about then. its funny how a site search on the internet gives you knowledge enough to make claims. i have lived everywhere bro and dallas has some of the best women and places to go and i will put the women up with anywhere except for maybe scottsdale, az.

[coffeecrazy1]

I have lived in Texas all of my 25 years...living in Dallas now...

I love my Houston sports teams, being originally from there...but let me just say:

HOUSTON BLOWS!!! Imagine living in a high school locker room, complete with the smell, and you'll have it nailed. The traffic alone should be grounds for justifiable homicide.

That said, I can't imagine Houston is worse than the following: Detroit, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Buffalo. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[ChipWrecked]

*sigh* I have been all over Texas many times. Have traveled it extensively on business; even to metropoli like San Angelo and Del Rio. I like Bonedaddy's House of Smoke in Dallas but that's about it. I'll take the Riverwalk over Dallas any day.

Austin blows both away anyway, it just doesn't have a major sports franchise.

[protocol]

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I gotta defend Buffalo here.
I would say Detroit and St. Louis are worse.

[/ QUOTE ]

Detroit and St. Louis are great sports towns.

[/ QUOTE ]


That may be true, but I believe the OP's question refers to places to live. If I recall correctly, Detroit and St. Louis are the only cities losing population at a faster rate than Buffalo.
BTW, Buffalo is a great sports town too, but that doesn't make it a great place to live.

[tdarko]

[ QUOTE ]
*sigh* I have been all over Texas many times. Have traveled it extensively on business; even to metropoli like San Angelo and Del Rio. I like Bonedaddy's House of Smoke in Dallas but that's about it. I'll take the Riverwalk over Dallas any day.

Austin blows both away anyway, it just doesn't have a major sports franchise.

[/ QUOTE ]
you are comparing 6th street/riverwalk/and dallas' greenville/deep ellum area i guess. i am comparing the entire city not just what strip is coolest or BIGGEST. that is the difference between these cities, i go to austin in the offseason almost religiously to see my friends and the conversation goes as follows everytime :

me: "where are we going tonight?"
friends: "6th street."
me: "we always go there, is there any other culture out here other than pete's piano bar and the aquarium?"
friends: "not really, austin pretty much sucks...good thing 6th street saves its ass."

likewise for san antone, don't get me wrong both cities have their qualities but dallas has more than just greenville to go hang out, it's really no comparison. this is why dallas is better for a franchise b/c there are more options, this is also why it has 4 professional sports teams and austin has 0 and san antonio 1.

oh and i feel sorry for your trips to san angelo and del rio, ouch talking about taking one for the team. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[tdarko]

[ QUOTE ]
HOUSTON BLOWS!!! Imagine living in a high school locker room, complete with the smell, and you'll have it nailed. The traffic alone should be grounds for justifiable homicide.


[/ QUOTE ]
this is almost my mother's exact description of houston, she was born and raised there and has never regretted leaving.

i like houston though, there is tons of stuff to do...if only you can get there through the traffic /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[ChipWrecked]

lol. There is a restaurant in San Angelo, can't remember the name but it used to be the main whorehouse for soldiers stationed at the fort. Pretty good food.

Edit: I enjoy the bat-watching in Austin also. Hooked up with a Northwest Airlines flight attendant while doing that once. Good times /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[ihardlyknowher]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
This argument should begin and end with Jacksonville, FL.

[/ QUOTE ]

you're an idiot. ever even been there?

I mean, its not the hippest place, but its a pretty damn nice place to live.

[/ QUOTE ]

Jacksonville Beach - yes. Jacksonville - not so much.
I just moved from the latter to the former.

[pmuir10]

kansas city, missouri. they barely even have people walking their sidewalks. the place is dead.

[BeerMoney]

[ QUOTE ]
columbus, OH = blue jackets
san antonio
kansas city
charlotte

[/ QUOTE ]

Gunt, how many of those cities have you been to?

[Sponger15SB]

[ QUOTE ]
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HOUSTON BLOWS!!! Imagine living in a high school locker room, complete with the smell, and you'll have it nailed. The traffic alone should be grounds for justifiable homicide.


[/ QUOTE ]
this is almost my mother's exact description of houston, she was born and raised there and has never regretted leaving.

i like houston though, there is tons of stuff to do...if only you can get there through the traffic /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

traffic in houston? what is the freeway two lanes?

I can't imagine it even being close to anything in LA.

[billyjex]

[ QUOTE ]
How could this thread be this long with no mention of Sacramento?

[/ QUOTE ]

Sacaramento is an ok city. Not too big, not too crowded, close to San Fran and Tahoe. Weather is ok (too hot in summer.) Nice rivers.

There is worse.

[LetYouDown]

I live just outside of Buffalo, have the majority of my life. Also lived in Tampa during the Super Bowl win and Stanley Cup win. Buffalo is an infinitely better sports town. If you're criticizing the actual city...Buffalo definitely has some negative points, but in terms of fans, etc...it's ridiculous here. In Tampa, you'd hardly know they even won anything. If Buffalo won the SuperBowl (yes, it's entirely hypothetical), the town would explode. We also have casinos...so I can't complain too much.

I vote for New York City, Philly or Detroit in no particular order.

[unlucky513]

[ QUOTE ]
I would agree with buffalo, and give an honorable mention to Cincinatti.

[/ QUOTE ]

i'm unfamiliar with cincinatti, perhaps you're referring to cincinnati? idiot.

cincy > buffalo and its not even close.

[ChipWrecked]

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How could this thread be this long with no mention of Sacramento?

[/ QUOTE ]

Sacaramento is an ok city. Not too big, not too crowded, close to San Fran and Tahoe. Weather is ok (too hot in summer.) Nice rivers.

There is worse.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, Chris Webber was unhappy that he couldn't get soul food here. Oh well. Hope he's happier in Philly. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[chesspain]

[ QUOTE ]


I can't believe someone said "Dallas" sure the sports have seen better days there but the city is great.

[/ QUOTE ]

As Hank Hill said of Dallas: "The only thing there are debutants and crackheads--and half of them play for the Cowboys."

[Hamish McBagpipe]

Hey, Winnipeg is a bit of a hole, but I think Blue Bombers is a pretty cool name. Regina is probably the smallest, loneliest town of all listed on this post. So flat you can watch your dog run away for two days. Roughriders is a bad name too, I favoured the Rough Riders of Ottawa.

[SPhilly]

Isn't it punishment enough dealing with our teams failure every year. I don't need others to put us down. Can't you see we do a good job of that on our own.
I would have more to say but I need a shower, right after I clean my 38.

[LetYouDown]

[ QUOTE ]
i'm unfamiliar with cincinatti, perhaps you're referring to cincinnati? idiot.

cincy > buffalo and its not even close.

[/ QUOTE ]
It pays to not have grammar mistakes in your response criticizing spelling. That, and Cincinnati sucks...I forgot them. When was the last time they did anything even worth an honorable mention?

[ChipWrecked]

I'm curious, did they install a courtroom in the new stadium, too? I thought it kicked ass that Veteran's had one.

[unlucky513]

haven't done anything worth mentioning in a while...

but i'll put cincy's sports history up against any other city.

[SPhilly]

I believe so. At least they have the initial hearings right on site. Whether or not its an actual courtroom I don't know.
Part of the problem with our reputation is that some people refer to the offenders as passionate fans. I call them drunken idiots.

[sfer]

Hartford CT

EDIT: [censored]. They're not even there anymore.

[MoreWineII]

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I'd have never said this five years ago, but Portland.

[/ QUOTE ]

Portland, Oregon? Are you insane?

[/ QUOTE ]

No. Portland sucks now.

[jakethebake]

[ QUOTE ]
San Antonio, Dallas and Houston are all horrible.

[/ QUOTE ]

True but the fact they're located in Texas alone makes them better than others.

[drewjustdrew]

I lived in Buffalo for 8 years. I loved it. You gotta like and play hockey though or it can be kinda dull.

[LetYouDown]

[ QUOTE ]
True but the fact they're located in Texas alone makes them even worse

[/ QUOTE ]
FYP

[Indiana]

I'm suprised no one mentioned Indpls. We've been begging the colts to stay for 5 years and now we're ponying up the dough to build those guys a new stadium. Also, having gone to grad. school in Wisconsin, I was suprised that no one mentioned Green Bay.

Indy

[Homer]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm curious, did they install a courtroom in the new stadium, too? I thought it kicked ass that Veteran's had one.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't think they did at the baseball stadium. If they did, they don't need it. The fans who show up now are pretty tame, with the exception of a few dumbass drunk 20-somethings who have nothing better to do than [censored] with opposing teams' fans.

[jakethebake]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
True but the fact they're located in Texas alone makes them even worse

[/ QUOTE ]
FYP

[/ QUOTE ]

Yea. Really didn't see that coming. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Los Feliz Slim]

Man, there sure are a lot of crappy cities I would never live in that have major sports franchises. Every third post I think "Oh, right, forgot about that one, that place blows ass."

1. Buffalo. I did not see a specific mention of winter in Buffalo, but if it needed a tiebreaker, winter is it.

2. Sacramento. True, Oakland is a den of iniquity, but it is close to San Francisco, which has a couple things going for it.

3. Kansas City. I cannot stand Kansas City.

[Laomedon]

Boston, hands down.

End of Thread

[LetYouDown]

I will grant you that. There is absolutely nothing good about winter in Buffalo. Fall is nice, our 5 minute Spring is nice...but Winter flat out sucks. That's about the ONLY thing I miss about the entire state of Florida.

Pros of Buffalo:
1.) Good food (Pizza, Chicken Wings, Italian, Greek, German, anything you want).
2.) Niagara Falls.
3.) Casinos.
4.) Sports fans.
5.) When you're growing up you can cross the river and go to Canada at 19 to get drunk and hit the strip clubs.
6.) Typically mild summers.
7.) Waterfront (although underdeveloped).
8.) The sheer volume of alcohol consumed.

Cons of Buffalo:
1.) Winter
2.) Economy sucks
3.) There's about 17 hot women in the entire town.
4.) Downtown is ridiculously boring aside from HSBC Arena during hockey season.

[unlucky513]

things to do in buffalo:
1. be cold
2. drive by closed down factories
3. work in a factory
4. nothing.

[LetYouDown]

Yeah, it's cold during winter. Yesterday the heat index was over 100. The economy in the heart of the downtown area of Buffalo is mediocre, the outskirts do have a ton of factories that are no longer used. The majority of things to do in Buffalo are toward the north/suburbs. Downtown completely sucks. Aside from hockey games, I never go there. For the record, I've never met a single person that works in a factory in Buffalo in 25 years.

[jason_t]

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I'd have never said this five years ago, but Portland.

[/ QUOTE ]

Portland, Oregon? Are you insane?

[/ QUOTE ]

No. Portland sucks now.

[/ QUOTE ]

Is that recent? I was last there in 2002 and I loved it as much as the first time I went there in 1999.

[ChipWrecked]

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I'd have never said this five years ago, but Portland.

[/ QUOTE ]

Portland, Oregon? Are you insane?

[/ QUOTE ]

No. Portland sucks now.

[/ QUOTE ]

Is that recent? I was last there in 2002 and I loved it as much as the first time I went there in 1999.

[/ QUOTE ]

I was there about a month ago. I don't know, I don't like hippies so it seemed like a hellhole to me. YMMV.

[MoreWineII]

[ QUOTE ]


Is that recent? I was last there in 2002 and I loved it as much as the first time I went there in 1999.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, I've lived here all my life and I've always loved the area. But now I'm dying to get out. I always held out some hope that Portland would make some strides toward becoming a bigger, cleaner, and better city. But it's just not happening.

- Traffic/congestion is terrible for its size.

- City gov't is totally inept and/or corrupt.

- The Willamette is superfund (i.e. so filthy and polluted it gets a fancy name).

- We have one major sports team, which is a mess. I'm a firm believer that sports teams often give a city its identity, or part of anyway.

- The people here drive me nuts. I don't really know how to put into words other than to tell you to envision a bunch of country folk moving into the city and pretending to be rich and sophisticated. That's your average Portlander.

- imo, nightlife and dining are substandard for a city this size.

- Our unemployment rate was sky-high a year ago. Not sure how it is now but im sure its still rather high.

- High property/income taxes (compared to WA at least)

People are fleeing across the river in droves...with good reason. I live in Vancouver now, but I'm buying a house later this year in Portland. I have this nagging feeling I'm making a mistake. /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

I think it just comes down to a decade or more of really bad leadership in this city that has allowed things to get out of hand. Downtown is still a pretty neat area, but all the surrounding areas are just trash, imo. Congested, polluted, infested with morons...meh.

[CallMeIshmael]

[ QUOTE ]
Also, having gone to grad. school in Wisconsin, I was suprised that no one mentioned Green Bay.

[/ QUOTE ]

3 mentions before this post

[drewjustdrew]

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Also, having gone to grad. school in Wisconsin, I was suprised that no one mentioned Green Bay.

[/ QUOTE ]

3 mentions before this post

[/ QUOTE ]

I think you missed this...grad school in Wisconsin = grain of salt.

[drewjustdrew]

Winter in Buffalo is better than most northern cities. At least they get snow. There is nothing worse than just flat-out cold, but minimal snow, like you would get in Iowa or something.

[touchfaith]

Anyone say Los Angeles yet? /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[drewjustdrew]

[ QUOTE ]
Anyone say Los Angeles yet? /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

I was trying to think if they had a major sports team...oh yeah, The Lakers.

[LetYouDown]

[ QUOTE ]
Winter in Buffalo is better than most northern cities. At least they get snow. There is nothing worse than just flat-out cold, but minimal snow, like you would get in Iowa or something.

[/ QUOTE ]
You obviously never had to shovel your driveway or owned a RWD vehicle while living in Buffalo, lol.

[Ogre]

Green Bay

[ChipWrecked]

[ QUOTE ]

2. Sacramento. True, Oakland is a den of iniquity, but it is close to San Francisco, which has a couple things going for it.



[/ QUOTE ]

We Need More Cowbell!! /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[mslif]

Detroit... What a hell hole!

[tdarko]

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traffic in houston? what is the freeway two lanes?

I can't imagine it even being close to anything in LA.

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first of all sponger the more lanes you have the less traffic you will have and second of all LA isn't much bigger than houston.

[tdarko]

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but i'll put cincy's sports history up against any other city.



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you will put it up against new york city? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[LetYouDown]

Hell, I hate Cincinnati and I'd rank it over NYC's sports history if you're referring to the Yankees. Yeah...they had a ton of ridiculous players and buy chamionships. That isn't history to me.

[ChipWrecked]

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traffic in houston? what is the freeway two lanes?

I can't imagine it even being close to anything in LA.

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first of all sponger the more lanes you have the less traffic you will have and second of all LA isn't much bigger than houston.

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If you don't count the Valley, I think it would be smaller. That was talked about when the Valley tried to break away a year ago.

(I love capitalizing 'the Valley'. My wife is from west L.A., she hates the Valley so much /images/graemlins/smirk.gif)

[Sponger15SB]

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traffic in houston? what is the freeway two lanes?

I can't imagine it even being close to anything in LA.

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first of all sponger the more lanes you have the less traffic

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My point was that the only way I could see Houston having traffic was if they had a two lane freeway. I think I understand the concept of more lanes = less traffic.

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second of all LA isn't much bigger than houston.

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LA = 3,845,541
Houston = 2,012,626

No.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763098.html

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Hell, I hate Cincinnati and I'd rank it over NYC's sports history if you're referring to the Yankees. Yeah...they had a ton of ridiculous players and buy chamionships. That isn't history to me.

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wow this may go down as one of the more ridiculous statements i have ever heard on this site. this isn't the sports forum so i will keep it short and sweet, the yankees ARE HISTORY you nit and they were history before huge salaries. i am not from new york and am not even a fan, i don't even live anywhere close to nyc but i respect history enough to know that cincy has never had any ruth's or gherig's or dimaggio's or mantle's.

thats just baseball, the knicks have a history as well and so does their (oh this hurts to say this being a die hard cowboys fan) football team. the giants have more championships than the bengals and of course more history there. but wait there is more...we havent even mentioned the mets...see nyc goes on and on.

[ChipWrecked]

Dude's from Boston. He's a hatah.

[LetYouDown]

Not from Boston...lived there briefly, but born/raised several hundred miles away. I am, in fact, a "hatah" however. I have never understood how anyone can be a fan of that team. I do enjoy how every Yankee fan was born with a Yankee hat on and their "dad loved them" and they've loved them since they were old enough to hold a bat. Just wait until they haven't won anything in 10 years and then you'll see all the "die hard" Yankee fans...well, die.

[CallMeIshmael]

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Hell, I hate Cincinnati and I'd rank it over NYC's sports history if you're referring to the Yankees. Yeah...they had a ton of ridiculous players and buy chamionships. That isn't history to me.

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How is it that hatred for a sports team can turn a seemingly rational human being into something that is capable of saying this.

I mean, even if you remove the Yankees, its still:

Mets, Giants, Rangers and Knicks vs Reds and Bengals /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Tom1975]

Maybe you could learn to spell it correctly prior to insulting it.

[shant]

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Anyone say Los Angeles yet? /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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Sorry, I can't see your posts through all that [censored] fog. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Tom1975]

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i'm unfamiliar with cincinatti, perhaps you're referring to cincinnati? idiot.

cincy > buffalo and its not even close.

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It pays to not have grammar mistakes in your response criticizing spelling. That, and Cincinnati sucks...I forgot them. When was the last time they did anything even worth an honorable mention? The team I root for went 86 years without winning anything, so clearly I'm in a position to give sh!t to teams which haven't won in a while

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FYP

[tdarko]

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mean, even if you remove the Yankees, its still:

Mets, Giants, Rangers and Knicks vs Reds and Bengals

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what are you talking about he's got rob dibble and boomer esiason (sp?)! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif haha.

[ptmusic]

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Anyone say Los Angeles yet? /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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Yeah, you did. Now you look stupid twice.

-ptmusic

[ptmusic]

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Boston, hands down.

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WTF? You don't travel much, do you?

-ptmusic

[ptmusic]

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Not from Boston...lived there briefly, but born/raised several hundred miles away. I am, in fact, a "hatah" however. I have never understood how anyone can be a fan of that team. I do enjoy how every Yankee fan was born with a Yankee hat on and their "dad loved them" and they've loved them since they were old enough to hold a bat. Just wait until they haven't won anything in 10 years and then you'll see all the "die hard" Yankee fans...well, die.

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We'll all be dead before the Bronx Bombers go 10 years without at least winning their division.

-ptmusic

[Roy Munson]

As a 25 year resident of Baltimore I generally agree with the assessment. But, having traveled to Cleveland, Ohio many times for business I realize that there is a higher level of shittiness for we Baltimoreans to aspire.

[NutzyClutz]

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