AK in position, should I fold?

[muckyouraces]

it's $5-10NL. it's a 10 handed game. everyone with about $1k
I have AK on the button. One player limps, I make it $35 to go. BB calls and the limper calls. the flop comes A 6 2 rainbow. it's checked to me. I bet $75. the BB calls, the other player folds. the turn is a 6 /images/graemlins/heart.gif making a flush draw out there. the BB checks and I bet $150 and he calls. The river is a 2 /images/graemlins/spade.gif and the BB bets $300(about 1/2 the pot). Should I fold or call? Should I have played this any differently up to that point?

[Richie Rich]

In this scenario, I typically overbet the pot on the flop.

[BobboFitos]

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In this scenario, I typically overbet the pot on the flop.

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why would you ever overbet this flop?

this is the last flop w/ AK i'd overbet

[Post-Oak]

You have to call. You are getting 3 to on your money.

You could have checked the turn if you wanted to keep the pot small. Don't worry so much about a runner runner flush draw.

Usually I would check that turn.

[Richie Rich]

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why would you ever overbet this flop?

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To avoid getting milked with TPTK. While every NL situation is player dependant, not many "reasonable" players will check-call an oversized pot bet on a drawless flop with a marginal hand.

[Richie Rich]

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Usually I would check that turn.

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[Post-Oak]

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why would you ever overbet this flop?

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To avoid getting milked with TPTK. While every NL situation is player dependant, not many "reasonable" players will check-call an oversized pot bet on a drawless flop with a marginal hand.

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Yeah, but how many reasonable players would call a 3/4 pot bet with no draw and a marginal hand? There is no reason to overbet the pot.

[technologic]

wtf is this reasoning...basically you get nothing out of them when you are ahead, and lose a lot more when you're behind? this is terrible advice...

[BobboFitos]

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why would you ever overbet this flop?

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To avoid getting milked with TPTK. While every NL situation is player dependant, not many "reasonable" players will check-call an oversized pot bet on a drawless flop with a marginal hand.

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yes, so an overbet runs you into the two pair and set hands, and you fold all weaker aces.

the marginal hands are the only hands you're beating which can call a flop bet, so you really dont want them to fold. *you want them to call incorrectly (esp because the marginal hands, such as weaker aces, middle pair, under pairs, have 2 to 5 outs)

this is where I'd half pot the flop, pot control turn, call or bet myself on river... maximize value vs weaker aces and minimize vs two pair / sets...

[Big_Jim]

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not many "reasonable" players will check-call an oversized pot bet on a drawless flop with a marginal hand.

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Aren't people with marginal hands exactly the people that we want in the pot?

[technologic]

hey mya,

imo, you should've raised more pf. you've pretty much guranateed 3 handed, as that pf raise is not charging people out of position to play with you. make it 50 to go.

the flop, i make it something a bit closer to pot, maybe 90ish or so, but that's not a big deal.

turn played fine imo, i don't like these weak pot control ideas when you're in position and you've got a hand that's ahead of a LOT.

river, i'd just call. if he's got a 6, well, just remember to charge him more next time pf when you have a powerhouse. if you pf raise to 50, then bet 125-150 on the flop, he's probably not going to want to mess with a hand that contains a 6 in it, unless he has quads.

[creedofhubris]

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You have to call. You are getting 3 to on your money.

You could have checked the turn if you wanted to keep the pot small. Don't worry so much about a runner runner flush draw.

Usually I would check that turn.

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Sage advice. Checking the turn on a drawless board like this limits your losses when you're behind and makes it more likely for an opponent holding a crap hand like TT to call your river bet.

Also, your preflop raise is a little small.

[technologic]

is it really that big of a mistake to bet the turn here? i feel like an AQ/AJ hand would call a value bet here plenty of times to justify a bet in this spot.

but then again, they may be more likely to call a river bet if you do check behind...hmmm

[Bosox]

you call and he turns over A2s and you wrinkle your nose in disgust and wish you'd raised more preflop.

[lapoker17]

More of a read thing, as there are times I will bet that turn, but if we're going just by "what is generally right", it's checking behind.

[Richie Rich]

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wtf is this reasoning...basically you get nothing out of them when you are ahead, and lose a lot more when you're behind? this is terrible advice...

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Well, depends upon how you play TPTK. I see too many players bet the pot on the flop, and then make a continuation bet on turn only to get raised/cr'd with a decision to make. I see A LOT of money being lost that way.

Believe it or not, but overbetting the pot on the flop (say $150 into a $120 pot) on drawless flops actually saves & makes money for me in the long run. Tighties are easy to read for sets, and the LAGs think their AQ/AJ/A-x is good against what-seems-to-be your premium pair. What does a 3/4 bet on the flop do for you when villain check-calls? Do you have any idea where you're at?

Everyone has their own strategy, and this is mine. I use it in certain situations, but certainly not all. Always player dependent. If your strategy has been working for you, then great! Keep it up. Because mine has too.

[technologic]

this strategy only makes sense if you have been overbetting a lot of pots and people generally view you as LAG

[PGarlic]

I kind of agree with techno. Richie, are all of your continuation bets after a preflop raise an oversized pot bet? How would you bet, say, an overpair or overcards?

[Richie Rich]

From an earlier post in this thread...
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Everyone has their own strategy, and this is mine. I use it in certain situations, but certainly not all. Always player dependent. If your strategy has been working for you, then great! Keep it up. Because mine has too.

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