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Monty Burns
08-04-2005, 02:30 PM
Looking back at this hand (which was fun to play at the time) I think I blundered on the flop. Considering the coordinated board, my raise probably should have been much larger, right? What do people think of my line? How big should the flop raise have been (size of the pot?)? What about just calling on the turn when the good card comes? Should I have raised while there were hands that might still be drawing? If so, how much?

Thanks.

***** Hand History for Game 2475118942 *****
15/30 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14530578) - Thu Aug 04 01:53:45 EDT 2005
Table Table 35276 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: kigrpo (1090)
Seat 3: Nasty23 (730)
Seat 4: Kingshockey4 (695)
Seat 5: MrBurns8 (760)
Seat 6: CT4568 (870)
Seat 7: MadMan7x (655)
Seat 8: KopyMSU (740)
Seat 9: rastaboss (1660)
Seat 10: JohnQGambler (800)
CT4568 posts small blind (10)
MadMan7x posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to MrBurns8 [ 7c, 7d ]
KopyMSU folds.
rastaboss folds.
JohnQGambler folds.
kigrpo calls (15)
Nasty23 folds.
Kingshockey4 folds.
MrBurns8 calls (15)
CT4568 calls (5)
MadMan7x checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8c, 7s, 4s ]
CT4568 bets (15)
MadMan7x calls (15)
kigrpo calls (15)
MrBurns8 raises (70) to 70
CT4568 calls (55)
MadMan7x folds.
kigrpo calls (55)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8d ]
CT4568 bets (30)
kigrpo calls (30)
MrBurns8 calls (30)
** Dealing River ** : [ 9h ]
CT4568 bets (755)
CT4568 is all-In.
kigrpo raises (975) to 975
kigrpo is all-In.
MrBurns8 calls (645)
MrBurns8 is all-In.

Maulik
08-04-2005, 02:33 PM
You bet nearly the pot, that's fine, an overbet here wouldn't be terrible, but you filled up so it should have worked out.

therock
08-04-2005, 02:39 PM
It looks like you already have this figured out. You want to play trips fast on a scary board so a pot sized raise would be fine. After the turn, you should put in some type of lame raise in case someone is drawing, just give them good odds so they will call.

Monty Burns
08-04-2005, 02:40 PM
Yeah, the hand turned out well; just wanted to make sure that I was playing sound fundementals as I am trying to take the game more seriously. Don't want to bank on the second 8 every time.

Any thoughts on the turn call? Should I have raised there?

durron597
08-04-2005, 02:42 PM
Raise more on flop, raise turn. Don't slowplay sets on very coordinated boards.

KramerTM
08-04-2005, 02:44 PM
Yeah, I would raise some on the turn, but not too much that they won't call. Raise enough to line your own pocket a little in case they miss and ditch on the river. Although, I could be wrong... because I'm not so sure you would have gotten two all ins in front of you if you showed strength on the turn as well. But, I definitely like the raise on the flop for 2 reasons:
1. You make the draws pay
2. Most people feel inclined to check a flopped set, so it is well concealed

bennies
08-04-2005, 02:59 PM
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Yeah, I would raise some on the turn, but not too much that they won't call. Raise enough to line your own pocket a little in case they miss and ditch on the river. Although, I could be wrong... because I'm not so sure you would have gotten two all ins in front of you if you showed strength on the turn as well. But, I definitely like the raise on the flop for 2 reasons:
1. You make the draws pay
2. Most people feel inclined to check a flopped set, so it is well concealed

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Me too. Except I'd only call the turn with the monster and position on the river.

Monty Burns
08-04-2005, 05:11 PM
I take your point about not slow-playing a set on a coordinated board. I think I should have raised a little more on the flop. By the turn, however, I have a boat. Is there still a need to raise it up there?

KramerTM
08-04-2005, 05:19 PM
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I take your point about not slow-playing a set on a coordinated board. I think I should have raised a little more on the flop. By the turn, however, I have a boat. Is there still a need to raise it up there?

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What if they miss their draws on the river? Checking a made hand is not ALWAYS the correct play.