5/10 ps... interesting turn decision versus a good fish

[durrrr]

UTG in this hand is a large contributor to the 10/20 (and 5/10 a little bit) on PS... but i haven't playd him that much myself (maybe 1k hands if even). From what I've seen- I'll admit I don't pay enough attention to other's tendencies, he has a very bad case of FPS. Also I tend to see him showing down "big" hands a lot more often when he bets ~1/2 pot (big to him is JT on this flop, as well as a set).

I'll mix up my preflop and flop play sometimes here, I think this is 1 of a few fairly standard lines that works fine... what about the turn? I feel if i bet he will fold most worse hands, and c/r allin with the better ones (along with stacking off AJ/QQ).


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (8 handed)

BB ($264)
UTG ($857)
Hero ($4548)
MP1 ($1368)
MP2 ($1847.35)
CO ($1183)
Button ($2788.10)
SB ($1005)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $40</font>, Hero calls $40, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>.

Flop: ($95) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $40</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $150</font>, UTG calls $110.

Turn: ($395) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks,
HERO?

If you think he might fold to a bet I would probably check here and hope he tries to bluff on the end. Personally I would bet the pot here and hope he has something like AJ/QQ. I certainly don't think he has you beat at this stage.

[durrrr]

yea I'm not so much worried he has me beat, as that he will fold to a bet- and I'm really not too worried about him outdrawing me (as he has vry few outs if I am ahead)... my ? is simply what line do you think makes the most here (while factoring in that a check behind loses less when he has a set/KJ/AA). If you bet how much do you bet?

[captZEEbo1]

flop call is scary, I probably check turn and call river (or bet if checked to).

In that case I would make it $150 again if he's drawing he will probably make the call.

[captZEEbo1]

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In that case I would make it $150 again if he's drawing he will probably make the call.

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what draw?

[mgsimpleton]

most. standard. check. behind. ever.

call river bet/value bet if checked to. if he has a set you're crushed and it would suuuuuck to get pushed off hand. if you're ahead he has few outs like you said. if he has flush draw too you want him IN.

[BobboFitos]

i made a reply thinking this was 10/20, but since it's 5/10, fslex made a really good reply.

also, I think you should've raised the flop harder, like to 200 total.

[thabadguy]

wtf is a good fish???

[Big_Jim]

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I feel if i bet he will fold most worse hands, and c/r allin with the better ones (along with stacking off AJ/QQ).

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Check.

If a blank hits:
If he checks to you on the river, bet 250-350, re-evaluate if he C/Rs, sounds like it might be a call, if he's as bad as you say, but probably a fold.
If he bets out big, sounds like a call, given read.

If the flush hits:
If he checks to you on the river, bet 250-350
If he bets out big, push.

If a J hits:
If he checks to you, bet 250-350, fold to a raise
If he leads, call 200-300, fold to anything more.

[Big_Jim]

I like salmon. Trout is really good too.

[technologic]

what fslexcduck said.

standard i may be ahead but if i'm not i'm crushed but i have a lot of outs so i want to see another card so the other guy doesn't check raise the hell out of me check situation. plus it exercises pot control so you can pay off a river bet without too much worry whatever comes off.

[durrrr]

By good fish I meant someone who is known to not be a big winner at all but supposedly was not awful... As the results show this was not really true (and he was awful donkey). But I wanted to see if check behind was standard (assuming he was decent like I thought at the start of the hand). I bet and almost immediately afterward I wished I had checked behind... this seemed by far the best line as I thought about it. Then he called me down with A high and made me want to reconsider. Not being results oriented... just wondering if you think turn bet is more +EV than a turn check (I obviously check if he has ~1k behind on turn, but he had only $687). I later played some more with this opponent and he made some more awful plays... in the future I definitely bet in this spot vs. him but I think I should check behind vs. your average unknown.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (8 handed)

BB ($264)
UTG ($857)
Hero ($4548)
MP1 ($1368)
MP2 ($1847.35)
CO ($1183)
Button ($2788.10)
SB ($1005)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $40</font>, Hero calls $40, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>.

Flop: ($95) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $40</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $150</font>, UTG calls $110.

Turn: ($395) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $280</font>, UTG calls $280.

River: ($955) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4078 (All-In)</font>, UTG calls $387 (All-In).

UTG mucked [Ac Qh]... WTF!@#!@#! ?

[technologic]

what, he has nut kickers for his pair of deuces

[mgsimpleton]

fwiw and this is results oriented also but if he is known to make big calls anyway on your "missed flush draw" checking behind then overbetting pot all in on river works just the same.

[durrrr]

I didnt know much about him this was the problem... i just knew he was 'supposedly' a decent fish