2/4 NL 33 flops set OOP

[ryanghall]

Empire 400NL full ring. Villain has $388, I have him covered. He has rock-like stats - 10/4/2

I get 3 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 3 /images/graemlins/spade.gif in the cutoff.

Folds around to me and I make it $12. Villain calls on button. Blinds fold.

Flop (2 players) is Q /images/graemlins/club.gif 7 /images/graemlins/heart.gif 3 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

I bet $20 into a $28 or so pot. He raises to $50. I call.

Turn (2 players) is A /images/graemlins/heart.gif

I check, going for a check-raise. He checks.

River (2 players) is J /images/graemlins/spade.gif

I bet $100, he raises all-in.

My action?
Should I have 3-bet the flop?
Should I have bet the turn? (If so, I'd prefer to 3bet the flop)

[fimbulwinter]

bet/threebet the turn all-in.

threebetting the flop really lets him off easy on this board.

fim

[ryanghall]

Is a rock going to call this with anything that I beat?

I assume you're telling me to do this so that I don't get 2 outed... is it +EV to do that though?

I'm not asking rhetorical questions.. I just honestly don't know and I can't see any reason to 3 bet this all in other than that. If I did that, he'd likely put me on QQ.

Ryan

[fimbulwinter]

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Is a rock going to call this with anything that I beat?

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AQ, get more value from QK, QJ etc.

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I assume you're telling me to do this so that I don't get 2 outed... is it +EV to do that though?

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you don't in general bet a set to defend against a higher set draw. you bet it because it's almost always best and almost always has the other guy drawing dead.

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I'm not asking rhetorical questions.. I just honestly don't know and I can't see any reason to 3 bet this all in other than that. If I did that, he'd likely put me on QQ.

Ryan

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not even a rock gets away from AQ here. if you bet and he raises again, he's committed and you get your chips in as a massive favorite. as played, you lose lots of value.

you have a set, bet.

fim

[ryanghall]

He had JJ

I should have folded.

Anyone agree?

[fimbulwinter]

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Even QT beats me here.

Anyone agree?

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nope

[ryanghall]

Wow. I really have sleeping issues /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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bet/threebet the turn all-in.

threebetting the flop really lets him off easy on this board.

fim

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Not betting on the turn here is weak- always bet a set with a board like this.

[ryanghall]

If so, why not just 3 bet the flop and NOT give him a free card?

I was trying to check-raise him, not check it down.

[fimbulwinter]

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If so, why not just 3 bet the flop and NOT give him a free card?

I was trying to check-raise him, not check it down.

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3bet a dry flop like that and you lose TPTK

bet into raiser on undercard turn he puts you on TPGK and raises or at least calls with AQ

fim

[ryanghall]

Fim, how much do you generally bet on the turn here? 2/3 pot or so?

[fimbulwinter]

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Fim, how much do you generally bet on the turn here? 2/3 pot or so?

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since hitting 2/4 my betting regime has been flop pot turn pot river 2/3 pot. i haven't strayed since.

fim

edit: WRT what's best for you, just bet whatever your normal turn bet is. for this forum, everyone seems to like 2/3-3/4 pot on turn, so that range is fine. I figure when im 4 tabling im playing tighter than my tables, so i like full pot. if i were one tabling and LAGging, probably less.

[ryanghall]

So is this what you do when making a continuation bet with, say, a missed AK/AQ raise?

[fimbulwinter]

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So is this what you do when making a continuation bet with, say, a missed AK/AQ raise?

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yes.

fim