$55 - 99 on the button, safe flop. What's your line?

[octaveshift]

Villain raised last hand t50 on the button with AJ.

#Game No : 2471571237
***** Hand History for Game 2471571237 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:14511281 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Wednesday, August 03, 15:10:13 EDT 2005
Table Table 12197 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: IamBrutality ( $1000 )
Seat 10: jake_l ( $985 )
Seat 4: wilwonka ( $1000 )
Seat 9: xyrophobic ( $990 )
Seat 8: Languid ( $1077 )
Seat 5: cxtail17 ( $1000 )
Seat 6: r821546 ( $935 )
Seat 2: meagin ( $1078 )
Seat 7: megalos111 ( $1000 )
Seat 3: blacklight05 ( $935 )
Trny:14511281 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xyrophobic [ 9c 9s ]
meagin calls [15].
blacklight05 folds.
wilwonka calls [15].
cxtail17 folds.
r821546 calls [15].
megalos111 folds.
Languid raises [50].
xyrophobic calls [50].
meagin: lucky 8
jake_l folds.
IamBrutality folds.
meagin calls [35].
wilwonka calls [35].
r821546 calls [35].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, 2h, 7s ]
meagin checks.
wilwonka checks.
r821546 checks.
Languid bets [150].
xyrophobic ???

[octaveshift]

Is this just stupidly easy or stupidly hard?

Someone? Anyone?

[Freudian]

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Is this just stupidly easy or stupidly hard?

Someone? Anyone?

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I had the exact same situation with TT just now. I reraised to 350 on the flop (got a call), pushed the turn when no ugly card came.

Worked for me, but basically commits you to the hand in a big way.

[durron597]

If he's playing solid hands, just let this one go.

[bluefeet]

push seems like such a donk move...
SWEET pot at such an early level...

how do you feel about short stacking yourself a bit?

he 'only' bet t150 into a t275 pot. even if he did have a made hand, i still can't see him laying close to 4:1, even on this flop (except for AA/KK maybe).

personally, i would make it t325 to go. a very nice representation of you willingness to see this one through. if we're successful in communicating this to him, i think we can end it here with either a fold or push on his part. a push back leaves you t600 and change. quite a blow, but in L1 you're only 'one PF raised pot' away from getting back to your start count.

what do you think?

[octaveshift]

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even if he did have a made hand, i still can't see him laying close to 4:1, even on this flop (except for AA/KK maybe).

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Nice read.

[octaveshift]

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If he's playing solid hands, just let this one go.

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This is only the second hand of the tournament.

[11t]

I say muck and live to fight another day. Unless you've seen him continuation bet into a multi-way pot with A-x then I think you should just assume you are beat and fold.

[durron597]

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This is only the second hand of the tournament.

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Yuck. I think then it's probably best to play safe, you don't have a dollar in this pot. But then I know the results so yeah.

The stacks are deep enough you can probably wait for a better spot.

[Freudian]

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This is only the second hand of the tournament.

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Yuck. I think then it's probably best to play safe, you don't have a dollar in this pot. But then I know the results so yeah.

The stacks are deep enough you can probably wait for a better spot.

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I think his flop bet smells of missed flop with two overcards but the guy feels he has to bet because hey - he raised preflop.

[durron597]

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I think his flop bet smells of missed flop with two overcards but the guy feels he has to bet because hey - he raised preflop.

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I think his bet is totally meaningless. So many people will play AA and like that and so many others will play AK like that and so many others will play both like that.

[adanthar]

*In general* this action tells me two things:

1)He is smart enough to know the standard raise size, but isn't varying it based on limpers, so either he just doesn't vary it or he wants action; regardless, he knows *something* about poker
2)He is making a standard 1/2 pot continuation bet into 4 people on a completely safe flop. This + knowing *something* about poker != AK.

So I fold, and I feel pretty good about it.

[octaveshift]

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I think his flop bet smells of missed flop with two overcards but the guy feels he has to bet because hey - he raised preflop.

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About what I had thought. It looked like a standard continuation bet to me.

With pot size where it was, I thought only move was push or fold, and I almost always err on the side of aggression, so I pushed.

DONK-O-MATIC!

[asherpuppy]

Don't forget that there are 3 active players behind you. I don't like to reraise with a marginal overpair through 4 active players on the second hand when I have no reads on any of them.

[octaveshift]

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Don't forget that there are 3 active players behind you. I don't like to reraise with a marginal overpair through 4 active players on the second hand when I have no reads on any of them.

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Only hand I am really worried about here is TT, because if any of these callers had picked up JJ, QQ, KK, AA, I would have expected them to raise PF. (I can see one of them just calling with TT.)

I think it's definitely push/fold.