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Paradigm
08-03-2005, 03:18 PM
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 (t1815)
CO (t505)
Button (t1795)
SB (t500)
BB (t495)
UTG (t2255)
Hero (t635)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero...
hmohnphd
08-03-2005, 03:29 PM
I hate this spot. Will blinds increase to 50/100 before you post or are there enough hands so that you'll post 50 in BB and 25 in SB?

If you will have to post 50/100 blinds in the coming blinds, I probably would just push here. If there are still several 25/50 hands left, I raise to 125.
Maulik
08-03-2005, 03:34 PM
Raise T150 is a good place to start and then see how the action goes &amp; the texture of the flop.
BadMongo
08-03-2005, 03:42 PM
Damn, this spot sucks and it seems to be a fairly common one for me. I definately raise here, usually to 150, and hope to take down the blinds or get it heads up. From there it depends on the flop, but if I get only one caller, I'm pushing a lot of flops.
Ixnert
08-03-2005, 03:49 PM
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If you will have to post 50/100 blinds in the coming blinds, I probably would just push here. If there are still several 25/50 hands left, I raise to 125.

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Eek. I hate pushing here; whether the blinds are about to go up or not, you're still risking 600+ to get 75.

Raising to 125 also seems to be begging for a call I don't really want, or a reraise that would be a really awkward number for me (probably to 300-400). I'd raise to 175, which seems quite a lot more likely to just take the pot uncontested, gives me a bit more assurance that any calls I do get are from serious hands, and represents more strength, making it easier to take the pot on the flop if I should need to.

Edit: removed section I thought on second thought was idiotic
Paradigm
08-03-2005, 03:57 PM
This is the 3rd hand in level 3. I will post my action shortly.
08-03-2005, 04:02 PM
Id raise to 175, try to give the villians an extra 25 reasons to fold. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

-edit: what buyin level? im assuming an $11
Paradigm
08-03-2005, 04:08 PM
My bad. $11.
Paradigm
08-03-2005, 04:42 PM
Alright, here's what happened from here:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 (t1815)
CO (t505)
Button (t1795)
SB (t500)
BB (t495)
UTG (t2255)
Hero (t635)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t150</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t475</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, HERO...
schwza
08-03-2005, 04:54 PM
pushes and prays.
KingDan
08-03-2005, 05:41 PM
I openpush.
curtains
08-03-2005, 05:52 PM
I just move allin like a stupid robot.
The Yugoslavian
08-03-2005, 06:11 PM
Pushing is +icmEV.

I'm not sure if limping and/or raising to t125 (t150 would seem to make a pot that is too big to play OOP post flop when called...but is fine too I guess) is more +EV. I can see some reasons to make either of these plays depending on the table and how well you can extract value post flop.

Yugoslav
hyde
08-03-2005, 06:28 PM
I push it.
you are already seriously short stacked. Any fancy play that you will fold leaves you way short stacked. You are close to pot committed.
Coming back from 400 against those stacks is unlikely.
Getting a better hand soon is unlikely. Waiting for a better hand that you can double up with will only double up your shorter by then stack. A shorter stack that anyone will call.
Use what little FE you have. A push will close the gap a little.
just my thought.
hyde
08-03-2005, 06:54 PM
I'm all-in every time at this point. No other way. It's possible he's pushing with pocket pairs, preferably JJ or lower, given the stacks. He may be just trying to isolate you and build his stack.

I would have bumped to 175 and then pushed any reraise. Time to gamble.
Uppercut
08-03-2005, 06:59 PM
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Eek. I hate pushing here; whether the blinds are about to go up or not, you're still risking 600+ to get 75.

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Don't forget about the real possibility of getting called and then doubling up. Hero is NOT pushing with trash.
freemoney
08-03-2005, 07:02 PM
make it 250 or so and call any push, its by far the best way to play this, by far.
MastiffPaul
08-03-2005, 07:09 PM
Why is that the best way to play this?
freemoney
08-03-2005, 07:23 PM
because people will call with dominated hands still, so if you hit an ace you can double up through that, if someone has a pocket pair and pushes pre fine flip the coin, and fish call with hands like QJ, KT from the blind or whatever trying to see a flop and you are betting enough pre that if they catch up to you on the flop so be it, by making it like 250 you are making it -EV for them to see flop.
TWINUNO
08-03-2005, 08:35 PM
Does everyone agree that this AQ is gonna be played to the felt? There is no way we can lay this down right? Are we looking to see a flop against someone and then push? Open pushing is prety much bad becasue either your risking to much or winning to little. I guess a raise to invite a hand and then get lucky is what were hoping for right? There really isnt anyway to get out of this hand.