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RollaJ
08-03-2005, 01:10 PM
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Discussion of non BW special sign-up offers. Other sites do offer some deals, but these sites have their own forums, where this sort of discussion is appropriate

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This is obviously a BW only forum, this being the case please take the talk to the BW site, and dont waste our time at 2+2.


All bonus related issues should still be posted in the "Internet Gambling" section....or the "zoo"

playersare
08-03-2005, 01:19 PM
dude, buy more classifieds.

Freakin
08-03-2005, 02:05 PM
The zoo wastes time at 2+2 cause it is so clogged with garbage questions about reload bonuses. BW is paying to advertise their site, and as a side effect, taking some of the idiot-load off the zoo.

This is a fine idea for the forums.

Freakin

cassette
08-03-2005, 03:02 PM
This forum is weak. I will be using the Zoo.

dogsballs
08-03-2005, 03:03 PM
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Discussion of non BW special sign-up offers. Other sites do offer some deals, but these sites have their own forums, where this sort of discussion is appropriate

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This is obviously a BW only forum, this being the case please take the talk to the BW site, and dont waste our time at 2+2.


All bonus related issues should still be posted in the "Internet Gambling" section....or the "zoo"

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I'm with ya. wtf, a forum just for BW...?! So 2+2 basically sold BW an advertising space consisting of an entire forum section.

baronzeus
08-03-2005, 03:21 PM
Can you point me to "The Zoo"?

dogsballs
08-03-2005, 03:23 PM
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Can you point me to "The Zoo"?

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The "Zoo" = the Internet forum here at 2+2, the one just above Internet Bonuses on the left of your screen prolly.

jek187
08-03-2005, 04:13 PM
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All bonus related issues should still be posted in the "Internet Gambling" section....or the "zoo"

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Think of it like a normal forum split, except in this case, we own the advertising and do the moderation. I fail to understand your problem here DV. This forum is now the appropriate place for bonus discussion.

RollaJ
08-03-2005, 04:20 PM
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This forum is now the appropriate place for bonus discussion.


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Maybe for some, Id rather have it all in the zoo. Especially since this is a biased forum. I also liked the computer chat in the zoo, but that wasnt really gambling, so I didnt mind a new forum.

so basically now "internet gambling" isnt about poker strategy, not about bonuses and not about tech, so what is it?

Some people like boutiques, I like one stop shopping. Ill stick to the zoo..... Hope others do too.

RollaJ
08-03-2005, 04:21 PM
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The zoo wastes time at 2+2 cause it is so clogged with garbage questions about reload bonuses. BW is paying to advertise their site, and as a side effect, taking some of the idiot-load off the zoo.

This is a fine idea for the forums.

Freakin

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There are plenty of places to advertise on 2+2 without canibalizing good info from a great forum

thomastem
08-03-2005, 04:30 PM
Wow I read these posts and figured I need to chime in.

I remember a time before BW was up and running. Information came into the Zoo but so did false information on bonus opportunities. We did not have any kind of math on what the bonus was worth per hour ETC.

Now a forum is created specific for bonus opportunities without the "Is Party down?" clutter and people bitch? Further those that want to know if Party is down no longer have to wade through new site or reload bonus posts, and yet they bitch?

Jek and I have had our differences in the past but to criticize the fact the BW is paying for this forum both with $$$ and the gathering of profitable information for the readers is an indicator to how intelligent some of our posters are.

Now to you Mr. Jek. The title of this site is "Internet Bonuses" I expect to find new site and reload bonuses as well as Casino and Sportbook bonuses as these fall under that heading.

In short if you keep this forum in the same spirit as you started BW (Find ways for your readers to profit) then this is great for intelligent people that like money and Me and my critters got your back. (No matter how much you dislike my split personalities.)

jek187
08-03-2005, 04:34 PM
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so basically now "internet gambling" isnt about poker strategy, not about bonuses and not about tech, so what is it?

Some people like boutiques, I like one stop shopping. Ill stick to the zoo..... Hope others do too.

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Here's what the Zoo is still about:
Softness of games at poker sites
where to find certain games/limits
bots
conspiracy theories
party/stars etc mods
Party's stance on PokerEdge, GameTime+, PTracker, etc
New sites coming out
Old sites going out of business
legal issues pertaining to online poker

There're still plenty of things to discuss in the Zoo. That's part of the reason for the split. The Zoo is so busy, a split only makes sense.

You can still have one shop bonus shopping, here. The only thing campaigning for everyone to post bonuses in the Zoo is going to do, is slowdown the split.

RollaJ
08-03-2005, 04:40 PM
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The only thing campaigning for everyone to post bonuses in the Zoo is going to do, is slowdown the split.

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While I may be fighting the inevitable, which I doubt, it is still worth the effort.
.............Much like chemotherapy, you are still probably screwed, but it can buy you some time

PrincipalSkinner
08-03-2005, 06:33 PM
Actually the correct title of this forum, as shown on the sticky at the top of the page, is "bonuswhores.com internet bonuses"

And therein lies the question/problem. Is this just an advertising site disguised as a forum, or is it a legitimate open forum where ALL bonuses, etc. can be discussed, not just those from which BW stands to profit?

THAT is the question . . .

thomastem
08-03-2005, 06:44 PM
Skinner,

As poker players we look for betting patterns.

2+2's pattern is profitable content for the reader.

BW has displayed info on their site for the reader with NO requirement that they profit in return.

My read on this hand is that we will be able to discuss any profitable bonuses that we want.

TT
- Man that lives in glass house should change his clothes in the basement.

jek187
08-03-2005, 06:50 PM
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Actually the correct title of this forum, as shown on the sticky at the top of the page, is "bonuswhores.com internet bonuses"

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As I mentioned over in the Zoo, the above title is too long. If we can come up something in < 24 characters that will fit, I'll be happy to take that up with Chuck.

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And therein lies the question/problem. Is this just an advertising site disguised as a forum, or is it a legitimate open forum where ALL bonuses, etc. can be discussed, not just those from which BW stands to profit?

THAT is the question . . .

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We paid a good deal of money to sponsor this forum, and expect a huge portion of the topics discussed to be neutral to BW. However, we are not going to facilliate the advertising of our competitors, if they want you to know about something, it's their job to tell you themselves. If you want to talk about their offers, they have their own forums.

PrincipalSkinner
08-03-2005, 07:06 PM
"My read on this hand is that we will be able to discuss any profitable bonuses that we want." (from Tem's Book of Tells)

Based on (always a ) Jek's last post, I believe that you have lost this hand.

But, Time Will Tell. Or is it Tem Will Tell? The world wonders . . .

imported_CaseClosed326
08-03-2005, 07:16 PM
I'll chime in. I like this forum. BW.com is a great site.

RollaJ
08-03-2005, 07:20 PM
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I'll chime in. I like this forum. BW.com is a great site.

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Dont you realize the irony of what you just said??

Why not just go to BW.com?

DonkAlert
08-03-2005, 07:26 PM
The problem here is that this forum is biased.

When you say things like "This forum is now the appropriate place for bonus discussion.",it implies that ALL bonus discussion is supposed to go in this forum.

Which is fine I guess if 2+2 wanted to restrict bonus discussion to not include ALL bonus discussion.

Bottom Line-

If ALL bonus discussion is not allowed in this forum,you shouldn't be implying that this is the apropriate forum on 2+2 for bonus discussion to take place.

Just my opinion

DrunkHamster
08-03-2005, 07:27 PM
So in effect, this means that all over 2+2, Bonuswhores have a monopoly on any of the bonuses we talk about. If we post it anywhere else, it will get moved here, and if we post it here, it will get deleted. I find it very sad, especially when bonuses like Granny Mae's (to mods: you don't have to delete my post BTW, the bonus is over now), and many more have helped me so much, that we are now not allowed to tell people where to get the best deal. I appreciate that bonuswhores is a company, and does want to maximise its profit, and I can't really blame it for wanting to do this, and likewise for 2+2, but I still think it is a shame. This is nothing personal of course, just my feelings.

PS you say that all your competitors have forums, well, don't you have your own? Why do you need to buy this one?

dogsballs
08-03-2005, 07:36 PM
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We paid a good deal of money to sponsor this forum, and expect a huge portion of the topics discussed to be neutral to BW. However, we are not going to facilliate the advertising of our competitors, if they want you to know about something, it's their job to tell you themselves. If you want to talk about their offers, they have their own forums.

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I don't like going to their biased forums either.

Art Vandelay
08-03-2005, 07:40 PM
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The problem here is that this forum is biased.

When you say things like "This forum is now the appropriate place for bonus discussion.",it implies that ALL bonus discussion is supposed to go in this forum.

Which is fine I guess if 2+2 wanted to restrict bonus discussion to not include ALL bonus discussion.

Bottom Line-

If ALL bonus discussion is not allowed in this forum,you shouldn't be implying that this is the apropriate forum on 2+2 for bonus discussion to take place.

Just my opinion

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GrannyMae
08-03-2005, 08:00 PM
If ALL bonus discussion is not allowed in this forum,you shouldn't be implying that this is the apropriate forum on 2+2 for bonus discussion to take place

i tthink this is a valid question/issue that should be taken up in another thread at another time. there is merit to the statment, but i am sure jek has a fair answer to this.


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regarding the topic of this thread. here is my .02

it seems like some of the objections are based on the fact that this new forum has been placed in the center of the "real" forums.

if i were jek, i would rather have a left bar link that more resembles the merchandise icons. i think if this were moved to it's own area, and can even be made red and bigger, that may make both sides happy. this would eliminate the grey area of the forum looking non-commercial, yet pay jek off by moving his link to the top and make it bigger and bolder.

i dunno. just a thought

jek187
08-03-2005, 08:12 PM
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if i were jek, i would rather have a left bar link that more resembles the merchandise icons. i think if this were moved to it's own area, and can even be made red and bigger, that may make both sides happy. this would eliminate the grey area of the forum looking non-commercial, yet pay jek off by moving his link to the top and make it bigger and bolder.

i dunno. just a thought

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I would rather have that too.

MEbenhoe
08-03-2005, 08:36 PM
sweet a forum devoted to whiny little bitches who don't know how to play poker and cry when empire closes their accounts on them or when a bonus requires too much actual poker playing to clear. the quality of 2+2 just dropped severely for giving in to this stupid of an idea. [censored] off bonus whores.

08-03-2005, 08:44 PM
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sweet a forum devoted to whiny little bitches who don't know how to play poker and cry when empire closes their accounts on them or when a bonus requires too much actual poker playing to clear. the quality of 2+2 just dropped severely for giving in to this stupid of an idea. [censored] off bonus whores.

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You forgot the whining about the posting of casino bonuses that are too easy to clear, and thus shouldn't be posted because they'll ruin them when everyone finds out.

Aytumious
08-03-2005, 09:05 PM
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sweet a forum devoted to whiny little bitches who don't know how to play poker and cry when empire closes their accounts on them or when a bonus requires too much actual poker playing to clear. the quality of 2+2 just dropped severely for giving in to this stupid of an idea. [censored] off bonus whores.

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Apparently you hate free money.

MEbenhoe
08-03-2005, 09:50 PM
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sweet a forum devoted to whiny little bitches who don't know how to play poker and cry when empire closes their accounts on them or when a bonus requires too much actual poker playing to clear. the quality of 2+2 just dropped severely for giving in to this stupid of an idea. [censored] off bonus whores.

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Apparently you hate free money.

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omg stop being a whiny little bitch

Aytumious
08-03-2005, 10:17 PM
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sweet a forum devoted to whiny little bitches who don't know how to play poker and cry when empire closes their accounts on them or when a bonus requires too much actual poker playing to clear. the quality of 2+2 just dropped severely for giving in to this stupid of an idea. [censored] off bonus whores.

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Apparently you hate free money.

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omg stop being a whiny little bitch

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I agree some of the people are whiny, but smart whores can make thousands a month so I don't see why you have a problem.

BTW, my poker game is fine. Of course my main focus is improving my game and moving up. I also see no reason why I shouldn't add 100-200% -- sometimes more -- compared to what I make with rakeback, though if that makes me a whiny bitch, so be it. All I'm interested in is maximizing my income.

I think it's quite moronic that people who clearly understand EV evaluations fail to see why many players put in time so that they are always clearing a good bonus.

MEbenhoe
08-03-2005, 11:08 PM
1. my last response was a jopke

2. for every smart level headed bonus whore there's at least 100 morons.

Aytumious
08-03-2005, 11:13 PM
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1. my last response was a jopke

2. for every smart level headed bonus whore there's at least 100 morons.

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Ok, I'll give you #2.

BTW, I lived in La Crosse for 2 years. A surprisingly fun place to live.

08-03-2005, 11:20 PM
TOP!

Homer
08-04-2005, 12:21 AM
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sweet a forum devoted to whiny little bitches who don't know how to play poker and cry when empire closes their accounts on them or when a bonus requires too much actual poker playing to clear. the quality of 2+2 just dropped severely for giving in to this stupid of an idea. [censored] off bonus whores.

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You're being a whiny little bitch in this post.

Homer
08-04-2005, 12:22 AM
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for every smart level headed bonus whore there's at least 100 morons.

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Your point being what?

mmbt0ne
08-04-2005, 01:10 AM
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sweet a forum devoted to whiny little bitches who don't know how to play poker and cry when empire closes their accounts on them or when a bonus requires too much actual poker playing to clear. the quality of 2+2 just dropped severely for giving in to this stupid of an idea. [censored] off bonus whores.

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You forgot the whining about the posting of casino bonuses that are too easy to clear, and thus shouldn't be posted because they'll ruin them when everyone finds out.

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Way to log out of your gimmick account before making a serious post.

KKbluff
08-04-2005, 01:23 AM
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There're still plenty of things to discuss in the Zoo. That's part of the reason for the split. The Zoo is so busy, a split only makes sense.


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I 100% agree.

MEbenhoe
08-04-2005, 01:50 AM
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BTW, I lived in La Crosse for 2 years. A surprisingly fun place to live.

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I think it has something to do with us having the highest # of bars per capita of any city in the US

gonzo787
08-04-2005, 02:16 AM
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sweet a forum devoted to whiny little bitches who don't know how to play poker and cry when empire closes their accounts on them or when a bonus requires too much actual poker playing to clear. the quality of 2+2 just dropped severely for giving in to this stupid of an idea. [censored] off bonus whores.

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First, I would like to know the history of why you are so bitter towards bonus whores. Secondly, if you hate bonus whores so much, why even visit the forum? Seems to me you are just putting unnecessary stress on yourself.

MEbenhoe
08-04-2005, 02:27 AM
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sweet a forum devoted to whiny little bitches who don't know how to play poker and cry when empire closes their accounts on them or when a bonus requires too much actual poker playing to clear. the quality of 2+2 just dropped severely for giving in to this stupid of an idea. [censored] off bonus whores.

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First, I would like to know the history of why you are so bitter towards bonus whores. Secondly, if you hate bonus whores so much, why even visit the forum? Seems to me you are just putting unnecessary stress on yourself.

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I'm not as bitter as I seem in that post. But obnoxiously expressing your opinion is clearly the fun way to do things.

timprov
08-04-2005, 04:20 AM
You jackasses have your own forum already. Why ruin ours by restricting what we can post about? Does every link here have to be a BW affiliate link as well?

How long do you suppose it will be before there's a private bonuses forum where all the good bonuses get posted?

Frankly, all bonuses need to be able to be discussed here, including affiliate bonuses. I don't give a damn if you're advertising.

Nonononono
08-04-2005, 06:06 AM
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You jackasses have your own forum already. Why ruin ours by restricting what we can post about?

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Ain't it the truth. I rarely post, but when I do have the urge to not post about a bonus, I do so to the zoo.

college_boy
08-04-2005, 06:19 AM
I really hope the admins here reconsider and take this forum down. This is not cool at all.

beset7
08-04-2005, 08:45 AM
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Is this just an advertising site disguised as a forum...

THAT is the question . . .

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I had to chuckle at this. Do you think 2+2 is a social club? It's a publishing company. This whole web site is about advertising. BW having a forum here might annoy some zoo old-timers (understandable) but the SHOCKING idea of a business entity using a discussion forum for advertising purposes: the horror!

cassette
08-04-2005, 10:15 AM
If I want to read a BW forum I will go to BW. Why do we need a watered down Zoo?

BBill
08-04-2005, 11:56 AM
My take on “No Discussion of non BW special sign-up offers” is a protection clause kind of like Party’s T&amp;C saying that you can not have accounts at more than one skin, but they let you do it anyway, not to be enforced unless things get way out of control.

The way I see it, and I abhor the use of clichés (pun intended), but we have to read between the lines of this. I read BW and I see non-BW specific sign up bonus all the time.

So I will interpret the phrase to mean.
If you or anyone you know will not gain financially from posting a sign up offer post it.

I think BW just does not want large affiliate sites like (site-x or site-y) to make this forum their spamming sanctuary.

I could be wrong but if this forum is going to succeed I think I have to be right

xenthebrain
08-04-2005, 03:58 PM
I don't care as much as some other posters, but I don't really like that this looks like a "normal" forum either.

I mean, you have a forum on your site and everybody can judge for himself if it's biased or not, but they know that it's the bw forum. This here looks more like a 2+2 forum... the clue is, that it isn't really, or is it?

If I would run this side I would let the affiliates where they belong, in the classified ads and keep the whole forums affiliate free and non-commercial.

I like the bonuswhores site, but when I want information from them I can go to their site/forums, so I don't really see the point in this forum except for $$$

The next day pokersites sponsor the strategy forums or what?

08-07-2005, 03:53 PM
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Way to log out of your gimmick account before making a serious post.

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Way to be an unobservant moran.