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Vee Quiva
08-03-2005, 12:08 PM
Comments on all streets appreciated. Blinds were 25-50 in Party $55 SNG.

NL Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:13327390 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Wednesday, June 22, 23:03:14 EDT 2005
Table Table 11135 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: larryvq ( $1655 )
Seat 2: anrk10 ( $1800 )
Seat 3: smoovv ( $1220 )
Seat 5: jetfan6232 ( $1400 )
Seat 8: MisterJD ( $1040 )
Seat 9: HarleyGuy29 ( $2885 )
Trny:13327390 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to larryvq [ Th Td ]
>You have options at Three-Table(373643) Table #1 Table!.
anrk10 calls [50].
smoovv folds.
jetfan6232 calls [50].
MisterJD folds.
HarleyGuy29 calls [25].
larryvq checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2d, 2c, 9h ]
HarleyGuy29 checks.
larryvq bets [100].
anrk10 calls [100].
jetfan6232 folds.
HarleyGuy29 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qs ]
larryvq checks.
anrk10 bets [200].
>You have options at Three-Table(373643) Table #1 Table!.
larryvq raises [600].
anrk10 raises [1300].
larryvq folds.

tigerite
08-03-2005, 12:10 PM
I'd have raised preflop from the blinds with TT. It's a hand that needs protecting and you'll be out of position for the rest of the play.

Vee Quiva
08-03-2005, 12:15 PM
should i have bet the pot on the flop?

tigerite
08-03-2005, 12:17 PM
No 2/3rds is fine, even 1/2 if you want, no draws out there that I can see.

45suited
08-03-2005, 12:17 PM
Okay, I can see checking pre-flop (although I would raise). But the flop is great but you only put a small bet out there. Then when an overcard comes, you want to make the pot big? And you only have two outs.

I don't understand your play at all! Once you decided to check pre-flop, you need to play a small pot unless you have a very strong hand. You kept the pot small up until the point that your hand was likely beaten.

Why make poker so complicated?

BTW, if I knew that the players yet to act were aggressive, I'm checkraising the flop. Otherwise, I'm betting more than 100.

DarrenX
08-03-2005, 12:22 PM
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I'd have raised preflop from the blinds with TT. It's a hand that needs protecting and you'll be out of position for the rest of the play.

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I'll do this 90% of the time. The 10% where I check preflop, I bet 3/4 pot on the flop as opposed to 1/2, slow down to a caller (especially the UTG limper),and fold to a raiser.

08-03-2005, 12:25 PM
I have to agree with 45 suited. You must raise this preflop when there is 200 in dead money out there and you are sitting on 1010 with poor position. I'd raise to 200 or 250. This way, you either take the pot or if called are in great shape to bet out at a large pot with an overpair on the flop. Having kept the pot small when you likely had the best of it, I don't know why you want to commit so many chips when you are likely beat and are at least uncomfortable. Mainly, need to play more aggressively preflop and on flop (flops like that don't come often for 10 10, JJ, etc.)

45suited
08-03-2005, 12:27 PM
I just want to add that I don't think checking pre-flop is bad. I'd do it myself sometimes. But after the OP decided to check, I think that he butchered the hand badly.

But checking pre-flop is fine IMO.

AbelM
08-03-2005, 12:34 PM
preflop: I would've raised to ~200 for value and to thin the field.

flop: Maybe a bit more, again for value but also because with the half potbet you might induce someone making a play.

turn: Very weak check. What's even worse is the check-raise, this just doesn't make any sense to me...just call him down.
I would've bet about 200~250, for several reasons.

AbelM
08-03-2005, 12:36 PM
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But checking pre-flop is fine IMO.

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Why?

45suited
08-03-2005, 12:40 PM
I wouldn't normally check pre-flop, but occassionally I might. My stack is deep enough relative to the blinds that I might check and try to hit a set. There are two bigger stacks in the hand and the third is close, so if I felt that I was up against loose opponents who'd pay me off, I might check.

But as I said, usually I'd raise. Too much in that pot already to just check IMO.

AbelM
08-03-2005, 12:44 PM
Ok thank you. It might sounded a bit sceptic, but i just couldn't think of a reason /images/graemlins/cool.gif

crookdimwit
08-03-2005, 12:51 PM
Definitely a little timid with this hand. I can't see checking 10-10 preflop, since you're inviting three other players to stick around and try to hit overcards or some draw on the flop.

And I agree with the criticism that the flop bet was too small. If you weren't going to bet big, you were inviting people to stick around, again, and beat a vulnerable.

Somewhere I heard someone say a rule of thumb is that "tens need help"... I think you went the opposite way with this hand, inviting others to stick around and improve to the point where your tens would start looking weak...

GimmeDaWatch
08-03-2005, 01:11 PM
I bet 175 to 200 on the turn, as I think it gives you a much better idea of where you're at and theres a good chance you have the best hand. Theres not much he could have here other than a 9, maybe A2s, or making a weak call w/a middle pair. However, any or all of these hands could bet into when you check the turn and put you in an odd spot. I prefer betting and folding to a raise (most of the time as long as the guy isnt shady), and obviously in this case where the guy had a big hand you would have lost less.

P.S. You can raise PF, but I usually dont. I think there are arguments to be made both way, but you'll usually get callers and be out of position with ovecards on the flop, meaning any call will put you in an awkward position on later streets with a decent sized pot, regardless of whether you have the best hand or not. However, if the blind are a bit bigger, I love moving all-in from the blinds with a hand like this, as its an easy way to pick up the dead money, and a decent amount of the time some schmo
wont believe you and will call with his small pair.