10/20 NL Various Hands [Archive] - Two Plus Two Older Archives

KaneKungFu123

08-03-2005, 12:03 PM

If I dont specify, i have no notes on players, pretend its your first hand with them.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB ($2323)
Hero ($1970)
UTG ($1000)
UTG+1 ($4053.26)
MP1 ($1962)
MP2 ($4185)
CO ($2164)
Button ($1898)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $10.
3 folds, MP2 raises to $100, 3 folds, Hero raises to $180, MP2 calls $100.

Flop: ($410) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $420, MP2 calls $3985 (All-In), Hero calls $1350 (All-In).

Turn: ($6165) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($6165) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $6165

KaneKungFu123

08-03-2005, 12:04 PM

Villian is goofy.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+1 ($3055.50)
UTG+2 ($1990)
MP1 ($2162.50)
MP2 ($1984)
Hero ($2289)
CO ($2000)
Button ($1840)
SB ($1416)
BB ($1630)
UTG ($2656)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $10.
UTG calls $20, 4 folds, Hero raises to $100, 4 folds, UTG calls $80.

Flop: ($230) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $230, UTG raises to $650, Hero calls $420.

Turn: ($1530) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($1530) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG calls $1906 (All-In), Hero calls $1539 (All-In).

Final Pot: $4975

KaneKungFu123

08-03-2005, 12:06 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button ($1422)
SB ($1672)
BB ($979.50)
UTG ($380)
UTG+1 ($951)
MP1 ($310.10)
MP2 ($3029)
MP3 ($2405)
Hero ($2000)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $10.
2 folds, MP1 calls $20, 2 folds, Hero raises to $90, Button calls $90, 2 folds, MP1 calls $70.

Flop: ($300) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $333, Button calls $333, MP1 calls $220.10 (All-In).

Turn: ($1186.10) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero calls $1577 (All-In), Button calls $999 (All-In).

River: ($3762.10) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players, 3 all-in)

Final Pot: $3762.10

KaneKungFu123

08-03-2005, 12:07 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 ($3010.16)
MP3 ($350)
CO ($1217)
Button ($2974.50)
SB ($2109)
BB ($1307)
UTG ($2141)
UTG+1 ($4830)
Hero ($3178)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $10.
2 folds, Hero raises to $80, 4 folds, SB (poster) calls $70, BB calls $60.

Flop: ($240) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $237, SB calls $237, BB raises to $474, Hero calls $237, SB folds.

Turn: ($1425) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
BB calls $753 (All-In), Hero calls $753.

River: ($2931) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $2931

KaneKungFu123

08-03-2005, 12:09 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP3 ($2042)
CO ($1970)
Button ($1437)
Hero ($4124)
BB ($2010)
UTG ($2601)
UTG+1 ($2037.03)
MP1 ($2881)
MP2 ($419)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. Hero posts a blind of $10.
7 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $60, BB calls $50.

Flop: ($140) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $140, BB calls $140.

Turn: ($420) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $220, Hero raises to $555, BB calls $1580 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $2775

KaneKungFu123

08-03-2005, 12:12 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB ($2000)
BB ($2331)
Hero ($2044)
UTG+1 ($1445.35)
MP1 ($1739)
MP2 ($2435)
MP3 ($2336.50)
CO ($1978.50)
Button ($1987)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $10.
Hero raises to $80, 3 folds, MP3 calls $80, 4 folds.

Flop: ($190) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $160, Hero calls $160.

Turn: ($510) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $420, Hero calls $420.

River: ($1350) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero calls $1384 (All-In)

KaneKungFu123

08-03-2005, 12:12 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+1 ($927)
MP1 ($547)
Hero ($2184)
CO ($598.50)
Button ($4528.98)
SB ($2429)
BB ($1950)
UTG ($5816.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $10. UTG posts a blind of $20.
2 folds, Hero calls $20, 3 folds, UTG (poster) raises to $40, Hero calls $40.

Flop: ($130) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $80, UTG calls $80.

Turn: ($290) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $290, UTG raises to $580, Hero raises to $900, UTG raises to $1220, Hero calls $1144 (All-In), UTG calls $824.

River: ($4378) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $4378

KaneKungFu123

08-03-2005, 12:14 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+2 ($1850)
MP1 ($2572.25)
MP2 ($3078.50)
MP3 ($2106)
Hero ($2347)
Button ($5848.50)
SB ($994)
BB ($742.50)
UTG ($2239)
UTG+1 ($2000)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif. SB posts a blind of $10.
UTG calls $20, 4 folds, MP3 raises to $90, Hero raises to $277, 3 folds, UTG folds, MP3 calls $187.

Flop: ($604) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP3 bets $150, Hero raises to $500, MP3 calls $350.

Turn: ($1604) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $540, MP3 calls $1329 (All-In),

Swede

08-03-2005, 12:14 PM

I like the river push here. Seems like a good laydown on hand #5, too.

KaneKungFu123

08-03-2005, 12:17 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO ($1679.50)
Button ($1933.50)
SB ($1950)
Hero ($2288)
UTG ($2864)
UTG+1 ($1980)
UTG+2 ($2127)
MP1 ($914)
MP2 ($1550)
MP3 ($2057)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $10.
3 folds, MP1 raises to $50, 1 fold, MP3 calls $50, CO raises to $100, 2 folds, Hero raises to $235, MP1 calls $864 (All-In), MP3 folds, CO raises to $1573, Hero raises to $2212, CO calls $106.50 (All-In).

Flop: ($4885.50) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($4885.50) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($4885.50) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $4885.50

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kd Ks (three of a kind, kings).
MP1 has Jh Jc (one pair, jacks).
CO has Ad Ac (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins $4885.50.

Yeti

08-03-2005, 12:32 PM

I know some of the results so I may be a little biased, but, here goes anyway :

Hand 1 - WTF do you keep doing these minraises? They are just going to get you into trouble postflop. I get more in preflop and the rest ends up in there on the flop. I've seen too many people trying to take preflop reraisers 'off AK' on rag flops to lay this down.

Hand 2 - Maybe check the flop behind. Given you didn't, fold the river.

Hand 3 - Meh, ok. Whatever.

Hand 4 - Fine. He's too short for me to fold this.

Hand 5 - Lead the turn, fold to a raise?

Hand 6 - Why aren't you leading this flop?

Hand 7 - Toss it allin after he minraises you. You are weird for doing all this 5-betting minraise stuff.

Hand 8 - I assume you got owned by a set. Maybe check the turn behind? I don't know. I hate having to fold stuff like this hence why I don't play full.

Hand 9 - You should be making it at least $375 or so, not $235. I don't think I'm folding at any point either.

I'm aware I'm not giving people much credit in these hands. That's because a lot of people suck lately.

Prevaricator

08-03-2005, 05:09 PM

first hand, why even bother to reraise pf if you are only going to min raise OOP. All that does is allow him to narrow your hand range significantly, and he gets set odds. Unless you are doing this sort of thing with trash too, and making the same play on the flop (basically a sophisticated steal) then I don't like it at all.

flop is kind of meh, hard to fold after that much money is in the pot.

creedofhubris

08-03-2005, 06:38 PM

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If I dont specify, i have no notes on players, pretend its your first hand with them.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB ($2323)
Hero ($1970)
UTG ($1000)
UTG+1 ($4053.26)
MP1 ($1962)
MP2 ($4185)
CO ($2164)
Button ($1898)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $10.
3 folds, MP2 raises to $100, 3 folds, Hero raises to $180, MP2 calls $100.

Flop: ($410) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $420, MP2 calls $3985 (All-In), Hero calls $1350 (All-In).

Turn: ($6165) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($6165) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $6165

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You are at best flipping a coin with two big spades and most likely drawing to two outs. I don't like it.

creedofhubris

08-03-2005, 06:41 PM

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Villian is goofy.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+1 ($3055.50)
UTG+2 ($1990)
MP1 ($2162.50)
MP2 ($1984)
Hero ($2289)
CO ($2000)
Button ($1840)
SB ($1416)
BB ($1630)
UTG ($2656)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $10.
UTG calls $20, 4 folds, Hero raises to $100, 4 folds, UTG calls $80.

Flop: ($230) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $230, UTG raises to $650, Hero calls $420.

Turn: ($1530) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($1530) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG calls $1906 (All-In), Hero calls $1539 (All-In).

Final Pot: $4975

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I don't like calling the flop raise with a middling flush draw.

I think you're behind on the river.

creedofhubris

08-03-2005, 06:43 PM

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button ($1422)
SB ($1672)
BB ($979.50)
UTG ($380)
UTG+1 ($951)
MP1 ($310.10)
MP2 ($3029)
MP3 ($2405)
Hero ($2000)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $10.
2 folds, MP1 calls $20, 2 folds, Hero raises to $90, Button calls $90, 2 folds, MP1 calls $70.

Flop: ($300) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $333, Button calls $333, MP1 calls $220.10 (All-In).

Turn: ($1186.10) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero calls $1577 (All-In), Button calls $999 (All-In).

River: ($3762.10) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players, 3 all-in)

Final Pot: $3762.10

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This looks routine, although I think you lose to button here.

creedofhubris

08-03-2005, 06:44 PM

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 ($3010.16)
MP3 ($350)
CO ($1217)
Button ($2974.50)
SB ($2109)
BB ($1307)
UTG ($2141)
UTG+1 ($4830)
Hero ($3178)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $10.
2 folds, Hero raises to $80, 4 folds, SB (poster) calls $70, BB calls $60.

Flop: ($240) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $237, SB calls $237, BB raises to $474, Hero calls $237, SB folds.

Turn: ($1425) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
BB calls $753 (All-In), Hero calls $753.

River: ($2931) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $2931

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The flop minraise can mean "random pair" or it can mean "monster", hard to tell unless you've got notes. This too looks routine against an unknown.

Stormwolf

08-03-2005, 09:01 PM

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP3 ($2042)
CO ($1970)
Button ($1437)
Hero ($4124)
BB ($2010)
UTG ($2601)
UTG+1 ($2037.03)
MP1 ($2881)
MP2 ($419)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. Hero posts a blind of $10.
7 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $60, BB calls $50.

Flop: ($140) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $140, BB calls $140.

Turn: ($420) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $220, Hero raises to $555, BB calls $1580 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $2775

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why no wawb?

Allinlife

08-03-2005, 09:17 PM

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP3 ($2042)
CO ($1970)
Button ($1437)
Hero ($4124)
BB ($2010)
UTG ($2601)
UTG+1 ($2037.03)
MP1 ($2881)
MP2 ($419)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. Hero posts a blind of $10.
7 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $60, BB calls $50.

Flop: ($140) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $140, BB calls $140.

Turn: ($420) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $220, Hero raises to $555, BB calls $1580 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $2775

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why no wawb?

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I really don't see what check raise accomplished in this hand...general advice I've gotten on hands like this are to lead the turn and fold to a raise.

FoxwoodsFiend

08-03-2005, 10:37 PM

[ QUOTE ]
If I dont specify, i have no notes on players, pretend its your first hand with them.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB ($2323)
Hero ($1970)
UTG ($1000)
UTG+1 ($4053.26)
MP1 ($1962)
MP2 ($4185)
CO ($2164)
Button ($1898)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $10.
3 folds, MP2 raises to $100, 3 folds, Hero raises to $180, MP2 calls $100.

Flop: ($410) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $420, MP2 calls $3985 (All-In), Hero calls $1350 (All-In).

Turn: ($6165) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($6165) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $6165

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Haven't looked at any other replies yet, so I doubt I'm the first to question the min-raise preflop. All it does is signal you have a hand worth a 3-bet without charging your opponent to see a flop if he plans on "outplaying" you with position.
The call, IMO is automatic-at this 10/20 game I'm not releasing overpairs lacking a great read.