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freemoney
08-03-2005, 01:43 AM
I have 6500, villian has 3500 blinds 200/400 we are of exact same skill level, what percentage will i win?
citanul
08-03-2005, 01:45 AM
you will, with the exact same skill, win the % of the time that is = the % of the chips you have. in fact, i don't think that the size of the blinds matters.

the only question i have along with this is whether who's blind it is matters.

citanul
TT_fold
08-03-2005, 01:45 AM
65%?

In this spot I usually push the top 50% of hands from the SB, unless I have the BB pegged as weak, in which case I can push any two.
bones
08-03-2005, 01:46 AM
TPFAP, pg 104-105 covers it fairly well.
citanul
08-03-2005, 01:47 AM
you do understand that that in no way answers his question, right?

citanul
lorinda
08-03-2005, 01:48 AM
The other option to posting this question was to ICM it.

I think you should ICM it anyway, just to get a feel for the ICM.

Lori
Mr_J
08-03-2005, 01:49 AM
"In this spot I usually push the top 50% of hands from the SB, unless I have the BB pegged as weak, in which case I can push any two."

I think you mistunderstood. He meant what will be the % that each player will win the tourney from that point on.
freemoney
08-03-2005, 01:50 AM
yeah i only understand the ICM based on what others have posted and what it says in those situations, ive never actually looked at it though.
citanul
08-03-2005, 01:50 AM
to further explain: one of the assumptions of icm is equal skill of players.

citanul
citanul
08-03-2005, 01:51 AM
it's a good thing to have some feel for, though you probably do kinda already. you should spend an hour playing with it, or at least buy eastbay's tool, and play with it for an hour or so.
bones
08-03-2005, 01:59 AM
Freezeout Calculations

"It's a common conception that your chances of winning a tournament against equally skilled players are equivalent to the fraction of total tournament chips that you hold. Thus, if you own 15 percent of the chips, your chances of winning are 15 percent. This happens to be right, even though most people dont know why."

He continues with an example and some math to prove his statement.

So...what part of his question did that not answer?
citanul
08-03-2005, 02:01 AM
he might not own the book.

citanul
bones
08-03-2005, 02:06 AM
He may or may not (I'd think most serious tournament players, SNG or otherwise, would own it), but I wasn't aware that referring someone to a source that explains the answer in much greater detail than someone will here is a faux pas.
citanul
08-03-2005, 02:15 AM
it's not a faux pas, it's just less helpful than other things.
bones
08-03-2005, 02:22 AM
k, guess I should have echoed the previous 2 posts instead of referencing another, more thorough, source.
citanul
08-03-2005, 02:26 AM
good lord, no what i'm saying is that you could have considered at least on your original post saying "page x of tpfap talks about this concisely," and then included the quote as well.

citanul
morgan180
08-03-2005, 02:30 AM
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k, guess I should have echoed the previous 2 posts instead of referencing another, more thorough, source.

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i hope this back-and-forth continues so i can enjoy bones' avatar.
The Yugoslavian
08-03-2005, 02:55 AM
This is my specific advice tailored for your very detailed and distinct request:

http://www2.arnes.si/~jsubic5/Wallpapers/Elisha%20Cuthbert/Elisha%20Cuthbert%2004.jpg

Yugoslav
Mr_J
08-03-2005, 02:58 AM
your avatar is MUCH hotter....
morgan180
08-03-2005, 02:58 AM
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This is my specific advice tailored for your very detailed and distinct request:

http://www2.arnes.si/~jsubic5/Wallpapers/Elisha%20Cuthbert/Elisha%20Cuthbert%2004.jpg

Yugoslav

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your play - brilliant in my opinion.
Irieguy
08-03-2005, 03:02 AM
For the love of all that is holly... that is a brilliant post.

Irieguy
morgan180
08-03-2005, 03:07 AM
let me get this right: brilliant in my opinion

http://g.myspace.com/00046/98/65/46415689_l.jpg
microbet
08-03-2005, 03:17 AM
HU ICM %chips = %win as said before.

It doesn't take position into account.

I think taking this into account, and ICM, you would have slightly more than 65% chance of winning if you started in the SB and slightly less if you start in BB.

This is just an approximation though. I'm sure Eastbay could answer this a lot better than I can, but I would bet that if you gave each player exactly the same strategy A, you would find a different equity distribution than if you gave both of them a different strategy B (each case they have the same strategy, hence equal skill).