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morgan180
08-03-2005, 01:20 AM
15+1 PokerStars Game #2251147579: Tournament #10841802, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2005/08/03 - 01:16:27 (ET)
Table '10841802 1' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: cosmo79 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: andy_fish (1480 in chips)
Seat 3: pmorganb (1480 in chips)
Seat 4: sundvlfan4 (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: 10 MILE (1480 in chips)
Seat 6: deecoyy (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: 6GREG6 (1500 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: RORN1313 (1480 in chips)
Seat 9: THECOOP007 (1580 in chips)
pmorganb: posts small blind 10
sundvlfan4: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pmorganb [Jc 9c]
6GREG6 has returned
10 MILE: calls 20
deecoyy: calls 20
6GREG6: calls 20
RORN1313: folds
THECOOP007: calls 20
cosmo79: calls 20
andy_fish: calls 20
pmorganb: calls 10
sundvlfan4: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ts 8s 7s]
pmorganb:
citanul
08-03-2005, 01:21 AM
jesus christ.
citanul
Maulik
08-03-2005, 01:24 AM
nice
morgan180
08-03-2005, 01:25 AM
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jesus christ.
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those were the words out of my mouth.
ahh.. I thought he said that as if to say "jesus christ.. not another pathetic waste of time post".. hence my initial question mark.
citanul
08-03-2005, 01:29 AM
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ahh.. I thought he said that as if to say "jesus christ.. not another pathetic waste of time post".. hence my initial question mark.
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don't let them confuse you, you got my intended meaning exactly right.
citanul
morgan180
08-03-2005, 01:30 AM
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ahh.. I thought he said that as if to say "jesus christ.. not another pathetic waste of time post".. hence my initial question mark.
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he might have but i think its a legitimate question - i've got a million people behind me i've flopped a straight on a monotone board - i mean almost everyone is in here - i don't think its a waste of time.
citanul
08-03-2005, 01:32 AM
for god's sake bet, figure out if you're behind later.
citanul
yes I found it an interesting scenario.
most times you lead out here quite strongly and fold in the face of serious resistance.. given that its mega multi way.. you wouldn't need mega resistance to fold.. but you should be able to decipher if there is a flush out there after you lead out.
morgan180
08-03-2005, 01:35 AM
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for god's sake bet, figure out if you're behind later.
citanul
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geez - you're fired up tonight /images/graemlins/grin.gif
bluewilde
08-03-2005, 01:38 AM
Well, I went through the options. Betting is just asking to be strung along by a flopped flush/pushed out if another spade hits. Checking invites somebody with the As or Ks to bet out and take the pot (or at least the tempo) away from you. This leaves us with the best option: open folding /images/graemlins/smile.gif.
Seriously, I think the bet course of action is betting 2/3-4/3 the pot (I'd probably just bet the full pot), and seeing how the field reacts. Against an all-in reraise/any reraise that commits me, I'm probably folding. It's too early to lose to a made flush, or even worse for my confidence, a flush draw. I think you have enough strength to show it, but not enough to go down in a blaze of glory. If you bet the pot and isolate 1-2 other players, I probably lead a safe turn. If more than 3 players call you, I'm probably done with the hand regardless of the turn. That sound reasonable, or am I way off-base?
citanul
08-03-2005, 01:38 AM
i am.
citanul
lorinda
08-03-2005, 01:40 AM
geez - you're fired up tonight
I actually thought this one was okay, but I'm not surprised Citanul is going for it tonight, the board appears to be full of rather weak questions today from repeat offenders.
Lori
if you bet the pot and 2 people call... what chances are there that you are not dead in the water?
its hard to see this situation in a larger scale where you will pot it.. get 2 callers.. and neither have a flush.
I guess you could say that one has the Ace and one has the K.. but that seems to be a little bit hopeful.
The main purpose of the overbet (if you choose to do so) is to really get a strangle hold on their hands.. and if TWO people call a pot bet on that flop.. the liklihood of the straight being ahead is not going to be high.
bluewilde
08-03-2005, 01:45 AM
I was including the chance that you're called by two pair/ overpair/ straight draw / top pair / set / no hand but maybe some stupid curiosity / any of the above made more tempting by flush possibilities. I think that happens too at the $16s, but I'm not sure if that occurs a high enough % of the time to be a factor /images/graemlins/confused.gif. So would you only continue against a single caller?
Most of the time... as long as the turn is safe. If you get one solitary caller.. they could have the flush or the nut draw or a set.. so its a lot less dangerous.
The overbet (if that is your line on the flop) gives you a lot of leeway in ascertaining strength.. but its never going to be an absolute indicator.
vs one person.. id be in the pot on a non spade turn.
morgan180
08-03-2005, 01:57 AM
my first thought was any bet here was throwing chips down a dark tunnel - and the only information that could come out of it was that i was behind. i mean with 7 people in the pot someone is likely to hold 2 spades...is open folding this terribly wrong?
citanul
08-03-2005, 02:00 AM
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my first thought was any bet here was throwing chips down a dark tunnel - and the only information that could come out of it was that i was behind. i mean with 7 people in the pot someone is likely to hold 2 spades...is open folding this terribly wrong?
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my son i cannot teach you any more, you have mastered all that i can teach.
citanul
playing hands like this requires a fair degree of post flop skill.. and you will constantly be facing difficult post flop decisions.
If you feel like you cant play difficult situations post flop.. then by all means open fold this.. but also fold it pre flop.
morgan180
08-03-2005, 02:09 AM
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playing hands like this requires a fair degree of post flop skill.. and you will constantly be facing difficult post flop decisions.
If you feel like you cant play difficult situations post flop.. then by all means open fold this.. but also fold it pre flop.
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i think folding this PF in the SB with 6 limpers would be very wrong.
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i think folding this PF in the SB with 6 limpers would be very wrong.
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not half as wrong as open folding when you must be 40% likely to have the best hand. I guess you can use baysean analysis to work out the liklihood of the limpers have xx where the x is the flops suit.. I would guess its about 30--40% likely.
Bet the flop.. and see what resistance you get from behind.
skierdude1000
08-03-2005, 02:21 AM
definately bet out and get some information.
pokerlaw
08-03-2005, 02:22 AM
whoever said fold preflop is completely wrong (note: i am not 100% sure someone said that, i think in my brief read of the thread this happened).
I check this and let everyone act from there, hoping to win a cheap pot - since i cant really withstand a reraise.
morgan180
08-03-2005, 02:31 AM
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I check this and let everyone act from there, hoping to win a cheap pot - since i cant really withstand a reraise.
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The Yugoslavian
08-03-2005, 02:44 AM
Morgan,
I only have one thing to say about this hand:
http://photos1.blogger.com/img/234/1096/480/Kindred_SDC2003_100_Jaime_Wright.jpg
Yugoslav
citanul
08-03-2005, 02:45 AM
nh
morgan180
08-03-2005, 02:48 AM
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Morgan,
I only have one thing to say about this hand:
http://photos1.blogger.com/img/234/1096/480/Kindred_SDC2003_100_Jaime_Wright.jpg
Yugoslav
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you are the smartest man i know /images/graemlins/grin.gif
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